Episode 145: Logan Brown

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[00:00:47] You've got a real attitude problem McFly, you're a slacker.

[00:01:50] Hey, this is Mike. This is Ego and Vice, Episode 145. Gotta get right to it. Episode went a little long. Had an awesome conversation with a local musician. Super funny comedian. His name is Logan Brown. We just kind of met by chance on Spark Street. You'll hear about it in the story that we tell. And gonna play some of Logan's stand up here and then we're gonna come back with the one the only Logan Brown, Ego and Vice.

[00:02:16] Ah, there it is. There's that sexy. Listen to that. Oh, so beautiful.

[00:02:21] Wicked. I know how many people here are over the age of 35 and it's fucking everybody.

[00:02:28] So I wrote this one for you. This is the first drag I'm gonna do for you guys.

[00:02:32] This is for anybody that's getting up there in years but is still fucking proud of you, you know? Proud of you.

[00:02:37] Stuff starting to get sore, but it's not the shit that usually gets sore. It's like your wrists and stuff, you know?

[00:02:42] Holding yourself up there for quite some time. You're not gonna be able to type right after this one, sweetheart.

[00:02:46] That's...that was the vibe, you know?

[00:02:50] So this one's for you. It's called Middle Age Love, all right?

[00:02:54] Come on, baby. Treat me right.

[00:02:56] The day was long. My lower back is tight.

[00:03:02] See, when I started off the show and I said that I was half black, nobody believed me.

[00:03:05] But then I started singing. I know you do. See how that works?

[00:03:13] You know the kids have all moved out. It's time to find out what real love's about.

[00:03:21] So sexy.

[00:03:23] But if we're gonna have this thrill, I better sneak away to take my blue pill.

[00:03:29] I didn't mean to look at you right in the eyes, sir. Am I just kind of cascaded down?

[00:03:34] I'm sure you're hard right now. I'm sure you're hard right...it's all good.

[00:03:38] I still want to make sweet love to you beautiful.

[00:03:48] It's just now I've got to warm up more than usual.

[00:03:57] I wanna make a middle-aged love to you.

[00:04:02] You're gonna need an Advil when we are through.

[00:04:06] Just not the extra strength that hurts my tummy.

[00:04:13] My knee.

[00:04:20] A little lube to keep things damp.

[00:04:22] Gross.

[00:04:23] And a foam roller in case I cramp.

[00:04:26] The doctor says I need more potassium.

[00:04:30] I know you're begging, please don't stop.

[00:04:33] But my hip hurts, I need you on top.

[00:04:37] Ooh, you know how the weather affects my joints.

[00:04:41] That's real life, alright? I have tendinitis in both wrists.

[00:04:43] Like, I knew when the warm weather was coming way before it happened.

[00:04:48] Grab the toys and please don't wait cause my wrist is too stiff to masturbate, yeah.

[00:04:54] It hasn't been the same since the surgery.

[00:04:58] I'll love you forever, that's what I said.

[00:05:03] So I'll ignore the sound of your knees crackin'.

[00:05:06] When I put on by.

[00:05:12] I wanna make a middle-aged love to you.

[00:05:16] It's gonna be so hot that we'll both be confused.

[00:05:20] Ooh, maybe that is the early onset dementia.

[00:05:24] Ooh, my psoas is burnin'.

[00:05:27] My bunions are exposed.

[00:05:30] There's a good possibility one of us might die tonight.

[00:05:34] But who knows?

[00:05:37] Alright, middle-aged love, baby.

[00:05:40] Anybody out there got any kinks?

[00:05:42] If my mom wooed, I'm going to kill myself after the set.

[00:06:00] Yeah, well I got a kink too.

[00:06:01] Right in my neck.

[00:06:02] Bad joke, bad joke, middle-aged love to you.

[00:06:06] Hey, we're back.

[00:06:17] This is Ego and Vice.

[00:06:18] This is episode 145.

[00:06:20] As promised in the intro, in Southwood's studio, sitting right beside me,

[00:06:24] I have the one, the only, Logan Brown.

[00:06:27] What's going on?

[00:06:28] Right on, dude.

[00:06:29] No, I'm doing good.

[00:06:29] I see that, like, you guys can't see because we're on an audio-only format,

[00:06:33] but there's, like, Wolverine things there.

[00:06:35] I was named after Wolverine, so I fucking love, love all things like comic book,

[00:06:39] but especially Wolverine shit, dude.

[00:06:41] Logan?

[00:06:41] Yes.

[00:06:42] Shit.

[00:06:43] I didn't even put that together.

[00:06:44] And yeah, there's my Wolverine claws.

[00:06:45] I bought those about two weeks ago.

[00:06:48] My girlfriend is absolutely crazy about Halloween.

[00:06:51] Oh, cool.

[00:06:52] Loves the season, loves the holiday.

[00:06:54] Is it still holiday?

[00:06:55] I think so.

[00:06:56] Yeah, we don't get it off work, but fuck it.

[00:06:58] Yeah, that's right.

[00:06:58] So, as soon as Spirit Halloween opens, we're in all of them.

[00:07:02] Even though it doesn't really change, we just kind of go back and walk around

[00:07:05] because it's fun, right?

[00:07:06] And I saw those, and I had no real intention of even being Wolverine for Halloween.

[00:07:11] Right.

[00:07:11] But when you see those, it's like, how do you not buy them?

[00:07:14] They were like 25 bucks or something like that.

[00:07:15] I'm using them year round, too.

[00:07:17] I'm, like, cutting up vegetables with them and shit.

[00:07:19] Even if they're not sharp, like, I'll figure it away.

[00:07:21] And I have done many a mirror kind of, like, the spread wing kind of,

[00:07:28] it had my hair, I was twisting the tips of my cowlicks up.

[00:07:32] Oh, yeah, dude.

[00:07:33] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:07:34] That's the one thing I could never get going because my hair, like,

[00:07:36] I'm half Nigerian, so my hair curls up before it gets any, like,

[00:07:40] any sort of, like, the Wolverine dip thing happening there.

[00:07:42] But, god damn, I wish I could.

[00:07:44] I appreciate that.

[00:07:44] You can do just one big point on the back, maybe.

[00:07:46] Yeah, yeah, just dreadlock it up and then use a bunch of hairspray or something.

[00:07:49] I don't know.

[00:07:50] Did you see the Deadpool and Wolverine movie?

[00:07:51] I did, yeah, yeah.

[00:07:52] Did you like it?

[00:07:53] I thought that it was a really entertaining movie, but the plot made no sense.

[00:07:57] Yeah, yeah.

[00:07:59] The only thing I'm going to say, I'm not a pop culture podcast,

[00:08:01] so we won't go too far in it, but because of the Logan, the claws,

[00:08:04] I had to ask about the movie.

[00:08:05] Yeah.

[00:08:05] And maybe I'm getting old and fussy, but was there too much swearing in it?

[00:08:13] Dude, that's interesting.

[00:08:14] Okay, I'm, like, I'm a pretty dirty comic,

[00:08:17] so I have a high threshold for that sort of shit.

[00:08:19] Normally I do too, but I was almost offended a little bit sometimes.

[00:08:22] A little bit, yeah, yeah.

[00:08:23] And it was too much, like, I'm so,

[00:08:25] I got my fill of, like, the nostalgia bait stuff with the Spider-Man movie.

[00:08:30] Oh, like the fan service.

[00:08:31] Yeah, man, near the end of it, I was just like, all right, we get,

[00:08:34] oh, they fucking brought everybody back.

[00:08:36] I'm done, dude.

[00:08:37] Like, roll the credits, man.

[00:08:39] I was, I liked it.

[00:08:41] It's just I was kind of pulled out of it when,

[00:08:43] I think it was more Hugh Jackman going,

[00:08:44] let's, every word was like, let's fucking go.

[00:08:46] Like, it was just, it was a little too much.

[00:08:48] That's a Canadian thing, though.

[00:08:49] I think that's living, everything here is, let's fucking go, bud.

[00:08:52] Let's go, bud.

[00:08:53] I'm so tired of it.

[00:08:54] I'm the Governor Givner.

[00:08:56] Givner.

[00:08:56] Governor Givner.

[00:08:58] Yeah.

[00:08:59] What was that movie?

[00:09:00] Oh.

[00:09:01] Foo Bar.

[00:09:01] No, but it's, anyway.

[00:09:03] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:09:04] Doesn't matter.

[00:09:04] No, I'm with you.

[00:09:05] Okay, so I'm glad you're here.

[00:09:07] The way I kind of bumped into you,

[00:09:10] but I don't even think you realize it,

[00:09:12] was this summer I was on a bike ride.

[00:09:15] Yeah.

[00:09:15] And I went down Spark Street,

[00:09:17] because there's a Starbucks right at the,

[00:09:18] kind of midway there at the end.

[00:09:20] I'd stop and get a coffee,

[00:09:21] and you were playing at Songs from the Shed.

[00:09:25] Is that right?

[00:09:25] Yes.

[00:09:26] Yeah, yeah, that's absolutely right.

[00:09:27] Yeah.

[00:09:27] Yeah.

[00:09:28] Yeah.

[00:09:28] And I kind of stopped,

[00:09:29] because I do a podcast about local music.

[00:09:31] I'm a local musician when I,

[00:09:33] you know, a lot of the times you'll fly by those things,

[00:09:35] but it was kind of like, oh,

[00:09:37] that actually sounds pretty good.

[00:09:38] And I actually stopped,

[00:09:39] and me and my girlfriend,

[00:09:40] we stopped,

[00:09:40] and we watched you for about 10 minutes or so.

[00:09:42] Yeah.

[00:09:43] Which is pretty good for, you know,

[00:09:44] normally driving by things.

[00:09:46] And I, what did I do?

[00:09:48] Oh, I went up to the,

[00:09:49] there was like a chalkboard,

[00:09:51] and it said who was going,

[00:09:52] and I was like, oh, Logan Brown.

[00:09:53] Okay, cool.

[00:09:54] And I sent you an Instagram,

[00:09:56] like 10 minutes later,

[00:09:58] as I was down the road at the Starbucks.

[00:10:00] Yeah, yeah.

[00:10:00] And then you took like three days to get back to me.

[00:10:03] Yeah, that's a fucking ADHD thing, dude.

[00:10:06] And I was like,

[00:10:07] ah, this guy doesn't want to be on my,

[00:10:08] he doesn't want to be on my thing.

[00:10:10] Stupid, stupid, stupid.

[00:10:12] Oh, Logan.

[00:10:12] Yeah.

[00:10:13] And then you roll back,

[00:10:14] and you're like, yeah, let's totally do it.

[00:10:15] So I think it was kind of,

[00:10:17] I was kind of,

[00:10:18] I was on a vacation,

[00:10:19] like with the podcast,

[00:10:20] I do it maybe,

[00:10:22] out of a 12 months,

[00:10:23] I do it maybe,

[00:10:24] I don't know,

[00:10:25] eight months of the year,

[00:10:26] because I take breaks,

[00:10:27] because it's too much.

[00:10:28] It's too much.

[00:10:29] Absolutely.

[00:10:29] So in the summer,

[00:10:30] I'll take a winter break,

[00:10:31] and I'll take a summer break.

[00:10:32] And that was during on my summer break.

[00:10:33] So the podcast wasn't even in my brain.

[00:10:35] So I think after we spoke,

[00:10:36] we didn't talk again for at least like a month.

[00:10:38] Yeah, yeah.

[00:10:39] And then I started kind of getting the wheels rolling.

[00:10:41] And then we booked today,

[00:10:42] because I try and book ahead,

[00:10:43] just because if I don't,

[00:10:44] I'll just never do it.

[00:10:45] I do it all at once.

[00:10:46] And here you are.

[00:10:47] Yeah, man.

[00:10:47] And in the shed,

[00:10:50] yeah, okay,

[00:10:51] you're a musician first,

[00:10:52] or are you a comedian first?

[00:10:53] Where did it all start?

[00:10:54] I'm an entertainer first.

[00:10:56] That's the way that I would just kind of look at it.

[00:10:57] Like anything else is just sort of like,

[00:11:00] I don't even know how to explain it.

[00:11:02] Everything else is like tertiary

[00:11:03] to just like getting in front of people

[00:11:04] and just going,

[00:11:05] what?

[00:11:06] With comedy,

[00:11:06] it's easier because it's the precedent is set

[00:11:09] that for a 90 minute show,

[00:11:10] you got to shut the fuck up

[00:11:11] and let us do our thing.

[00:11:12] Whereas like,

[00:11:12] if I'm in the corner of a bar

[00:11:14] or in a shed on Spark Street,

[00:11:16] you don't really have to care that I'm there.

[00:11:18] You know what I mean?

[00:11:19] So it's like,

[00:11:19] if I need to service the ego

[00:11:21] or then,

[00:11:23] well,

[00:11:23] I mean,

[00:11:23] ego and vices,

[00:11:24] then comedy is kind of my usual go-to.

[00:11:28] But music is a lot of fun

[00:11:30] and I like doing them both.

[00:11:32] So yeah.

[00:11:32] I overheard,

[00:11:34] in the shed show,

[00:11:37] I think you were just doing some cover tunes.

[00:11:39] Yeah.

[00:11:39] Is that what was asked of you for that

[00:11:41] or is that a common thing for you to do?

[00:11:43] It's just usually a common thing that I do.

[00:11:44] Are you ever like,

[00:11:46] are you one of those musicians

[00:11:47] that can take a gig at like a Heart and Crown

[00:11:51] and just like play all night?

[00:11:53] Yeah.

[00:11:53] Yeah.

[00:11:53] Yeah.

[00:11:54] Yeah.

[00:11:54] So you actually make money doing this?

[00:11:56] I do.

[00:11:56] Yeah.

[00:11:57] Yeah.

[00:11:57] And that's oftentimes like,

[00:11:58] unless I'm getting like a headlining spot with comedy,

[00:12:01] a lot of the time I'm playing music

[00:12:02] for like a little bit of extra cash on the side.

[00:12:05] So yeah.

[00:12:05] Right.

[00:12:05] Right.

[00:12:06] See,

[00:12:07] I find that if you're out there

[00:12:09] and you're writing your own music

[00:12:10] and you're playing gigs and stuff,

[00:12:12] it's not sustainable to live off of.

[00:12:14] Like,

[00:12:14] because you're always kind of a starving artist.

[00:12:16] I have friends that are in like a cover band.

[00:12:18] They do like weddings and stuff.

[00:12:20] Yeah.

[00:12:20] Yeah.

[00:12:20] They still have day jobs,

[00:12:21] but they actually make money playing music,

[00:12:24] which is crazy to me.

[00:12:25] I've been playing music for 30 years,

[00:12:27] 20,

[00:12:28] almost 30 years.

[00:12:29] Yeah.

[00:12:30] I could,

[00:12:31] all the money I've ever made in my career

[00:12:34] could probably fit in my wallet right now.

[00:12:35] That's so funny.

[00:12:36] Do you know what I mean?

[00:12:37] It's just like,

[00:12:38] but I have a lifetime of memories

[00:12:41] memories and experiences and stories.

[00:12:44] You know,

[00:12:44] stuff like that.

[00:12:45] So it truly is,

[00:12:47] has to be a labor of love to a degree.

[00:12:49] Yeah.

[00:12:49] Yeah.

[00:12:49] And I mean,

[00:12:50] like in a perfect world,

[00:12:51] if you don't have,

[00:12:53] if you don't have an issue splitting your brain

[00:12:54] in multiple ways,

[00:12:55] you can do the both.

[00:12:55] Like I find,

[00:12:56] I'm not a huge fan of like writing my own music,

[00:13:00] well,

[00:13:00] like in a serious way.

[00:13:01] I don't mind writing songs about my dingus,

[00:13:03] but for some reason,

[00:13:04] but so when I want to write an original song

[00:13:06] and be not creative,

[00:13:08] because I think it is creative to like play cover songs,

[00:13:10] especially if you're putting your own spin on it

[00:13:12] in a,

[00:13:12] in a certain,

[00:13:13] to a certain extent.

[00:13:14] But when I want to service that part,

[00:13:16] I,

[00:13:16] that's where comedy kind of fits in.

[00:13:18] And then,

[00:13:18] you know,

[00:13:19] and I,

[00:13:19] and the entertainment thing is I don't just play music

[00:13:22] for the money.

[00:13:22] I won't play music without getting paid,

[00:13:24] but like,

[00:13:25] I,

[00:13:25] I don't just play music for the money.

[00:13:27] I do love being the party for a little bit.

[00:13:30] Staying up till two in the morning

[00:13:31] and then going to my day job the next day

[00:13:32] is a little aggressive sometimes,

[00:13:33] but yeah,

[00:13:35] yeah.

[00:13:35] For the,

[00:13:35] for the most part,

[00:13:36] it's just getting in front of people and you know,

[00:13:38] whether they're drunk or,

[00:13:39] or not,

[00:13:39] like I just like making people have fun.

[00:13:41] So I heard,

[00:13:41] I heard a rumor.

[00:13:42] It may have been from you.

[00:13:43] Is it a true or do you have a jazz degree?

[00:13:46] No,

[00:13:47] no,

[00:13:47] that's,

[00:13:47] that's just the joke.

[00:13:48] Yeah.

[00:13:49] Yeah.

[00:13:49] Yeah.

[00:13:49] I overheard that.

[00:13:50] And then,

[00:13:50] and then I was listening.

[00:13:51] I'm like,

[00:13:51] yeah,

[00:13:51] he's pretty good.

[00:13:52] Oh,

[00:13:52] thanks.

[00:13:52] Cause I was listening to some of your stuff on Spotify too.

[00:13:56] And you know,

[00:13:56] your way around a fretboard.

[00:13:58] I do.

[00:13:59] Yeah.

[00:13:59] You can play.

[00:14:00] Yeah.

[00:14:01] Yeah.

[00:14:01] You know,

[00:14:02] um,

[00:14:03] cover songs.

[00:14:04] The reason I don't play cover songs is because I am a very meat and potatoes musician.

[00:14:08] I see.

[00:14:09] Yeah.

[00:14:09] I like pop punk.

[00:14:11] I like punk rock.

[00:14:11] I like easy rock stuff like that,

[00:14:14] where it's just like chords,

[00:14:15] right?

[00:14:15] Yeah.

[00:14:16] Chunk my way through it.

[00:14:17] Um,

[00:14:19] when it comes to cover songs,

[00:14:20] I don't play them cause I always feel like I fuck them up.

[00:14:22] Right.

[00:14:22] They just sound like shit.

[00:14:23] Nobody's going to want to hear me do this to that song.

[00:14:27] Yeah.

[00:14:27] But you have,

[00:14:28] you have a lot of grace finesse.

[00:14:29] Like you could play,

[00:14:30] you don't have to play a wonder wall at the bar.

[00:14:33] You could play,

[00:14:34] you could dazzle people.

[00:14:35] Yeah.

[00:14:35] Yeah.

[00:14:36] Where did that come from?

[00:14:36] Is that self-taught?

[00:14:37] Yeah.

[00:14:38] It's all self-taught,

[00:14:39] man.

[00:14:39] It's,

[00:14:39] it's all just like,

[00:14:40] uh,

[00:14:40] I mean,

[00:14:41] just sitting in my basement and what kind of woodshedding I got started with guitar

[00:14:44] hero.

[00:14:44] So I,

[00:14:45] I mean the first thing that I heard when playing,

[00:14:48] you know,

[00:14:48] something technically,

[00:14:49] whether it's like through the fire and the flames or some shit like that,

[00:14:52] it was like a crowd.

[00:14:53] Yeah.

[00:14:54] Yeah.

[00:14:54] Dragon forest.

[00:14:55] Yeah.

[00:14:55] Like when you're playing something cool on the guitar and a guitar based video game,

[00:14:59] you hear the audience go.

[00:15:01] Yeah.

[00:15:01] And when you're sloppy and messing up,

[00:15:03] you hear him go,

[00:15:04] boo.

[00:15:05] So that stuck in my brain in my,

[00:15:07] in my youth.

[00:15:08] Yeah.

[00:15:08] And so I just dove in when I got my first guitar.

[00:15:11] I just kind of dove into like,

[00:15:12] I think the first song I learned was black magic woman,

[00:15:14] but you know what I mean?

[00:15:15] Like I skipped the whole,

[00:15:16] like learning a heart of gold by Neil Young and everything like that.

[00:15:20] Like it was,

[00:15:20] I immediately was running before I could crawl.

[00:15:23] See guys like you drive me nuts because seriously,

[00:15:27] I'm a self-taught,

[00:15:28] I'm a self-taught player.

[00:15:29] And I've always been,

[00:15:30] I I'm convinced that like,

[00:15:31] I can play the guitar.

[00:15:33] Like I can,

[00:15:33] I can hold my own for what I do,

[00:15:35] but I've had other like virtuoso guitar.

[00:15:39] There's a guy in the city.

[00:15:41] He's named Scott Norris.

[00:15:42] I don't know if you ever know,

[00:15:42] I heard of the band,

[00:15:43] um,

[00:15:44] the escape society.

[00:15:46] Oh,

[00:15:46] I've heard of the escape society.

[00:15:47] Yeah.

[00:15:47] He,

[00:15:47] well,

[00:15:48] Scott used to be in like those metal core,

[00:15:50] like,

[00:15:51] yeah,

[00:15:52] crazy.

[00:15:57] And,

[00:15:58] um,

[00:15:59] yeah,

[00:15:59] I was,

[00:16:00] I just,

[00:16:00] I couldn't,

[00:16:00] I could learn.

[00:16:01] And I asked him when he was on the podcast,

[00:16:02] I said,

[00:16:03] could I actually learn how to do that?

[00:16:05] And he was like,

[00:16:05] anybody can learn.

[00:16:06] And he gave me all these tips and stuff,

[00:16:08] but mechanically it's,

[00:16:10] it's pretty weird.

[00:16:10] It just ain't happening.

[00:16:11] Like,

[00:16:11] it's just like Usain Bolt can run the 200 meter in like nine minutes or nine seconds or whatever the hell it is.

[00:16:17] Yeah.

[00:16:18] It's like me going up to Usain Bolt and saying,

[00:16:19] can I learn how to do that?

[00:16:21] You probably can.

[00:16:22] Yeah.

[00:16:22] Yeah.

[00:16:22] You just mechanically can't do it.

[00:16:25] Yeah.

[00:16:25] Yeah.

[00:16:25] Right.

[00:16:25] So guys like you,

[00:16:26] who just like,

[00:16:27] pick it up.

[00:16:28] I'm envious is what it is.

[00:16:30] I wish I could.

[00:16:30] I wish I had that kind of dexterity,

[00:16:33] that kind of.

[00:16:34] Right.

[00:16:34] Right.

[00:16:35] Yeah.

[00:16:35] I mean,

[00:16:35] I'm sure there's like,

[00:16:37] I mean,

[00:16:37] for me,

[00:16:38] it was just my influences.

[00:16:39] Like I was obsessed again,

[00:16:40] starting in guitar hero.

[00:16:41] I was obsessed with the guitar solo.

[00:16:43] So I immediately was like,

[00:16:44] I don't care about any of the extra stuff.

[00:16:46] Like show me how to like,

[00:16:47] I mean,

[00:16:48] when I was in my metal band,

[00:16:49] I would write songs,

[00:16:50] a guitar solo first.

[00:16:51] I would write a chord progression that I would love to play over,

[00:16:55] write a solo to it and then be like,

[00:16:56] we're not,

[00:16:56] I got to figure out a song now,

[00:16:58] you know,

[00:16:58] and then I would work backwards through there.

[00:17:00] So,

[00:17:01] yeah,

[00:17:01] I know.

[00:17:01] I get it,

[00:17:02] man.

[00:17:02] I think everyone's kind of music journey,

[00:17:05] independent music journey,

[00:17:07] starving artists is kind of mirrors the same.

[00:17:09] It runs along the same kind of thing.

[00:17:11] And here we are,

[00:17:13] Ottawa bound.

[00:17:14] Are you from Ottawa?

[00:17:15] No,

[00:17:15] from Kingston.

[00:17:16] Kingston.

[00:17:16] That's right.

[00:17:16] Yeah.

[00:17:17] I think I knew that from my real crack research.

[00:17:21] I was doing crack while I was researching.

[00:17:23] That's so good.

[00:17:24] Yeah.

[00:17:24] Um,

[00:17:25] so why,

[00:17:26] why Ottawa?

[00:17:27] What happened?

[00:17:28] Uh,

[00:17:28] so I was in a relationship,

[00:17:30] um,

[00:17:31] for like seven years.

[00:17:32] It's always love.

[00:17:33] Yeah,

[00:17:33] man.

[00:17:34] I was sober for like,

[00:17:35] uh,

[00:17:36] eight,

[00:17:37] eight years.

[00:17:37] And then we were together and then,

[00:17:39] uh,

[00:17:40] yeah,

[00:17:40] I started doing standup.

[00:17:41] I got like super depressed.

[00:17:43] Like ADHD is one of those like mental disabilities.

[00:17:46] That's like kind of gets clowned on a little bit,

[00:17:48] but it's like at its,

[00:17:49] at its best,

[00:17:50] you're like high on dopamine and you're like,

[00:17:53] I could do,

[00:17:53] I could fucking figure out advanced calculus and do a podcast and write a record.

[00:17:58] That's a concept album about Garfield's farts all at the same time.

[00:18:01] And at its worst,

[00:18:02] you're like,

[00:18:03] I could,

[00:18:03] I would love to take this entire bottle of Tylenol and just go to sleep forever.

[00:18:06] And that's where kind of where I was at,

[00:18:08] uh,

[00:18:09] before I found comedy.

[00:18:10] And,

[00:18:11] uh,

[00:18:11] I did some like crazy music,

[00:18:14] open mic in Smith's falls,

[00:18:15] Ontario,

[00:18:16] which is where I was,

[00:18:16] we were living at the time and,

[00:18:18] uh,

[00:18:18] got enough of a laugh that I was like,

[00:18:20] I got to do this for the rest of my life.

[00:18:22] And then just kept,

[00:18:23] you know,

[00:18:24] I would go down,

[00:18:24] I was in Ottawa,

[00:18:25] like probably six out of the seven nights,

[00:18:27] just doing open mics and like grinding and everything like that.

[00:18:30] And then when I started doing musical comedy stuff,

[00:18:32] started happening a little bit more.

[00:18:34] And,

[00:18:35] um,

[00:18:35] my ex,

[00:18:36] I wish the best for her,

[00:18:37] but wasn't,

[00:18:38] wasn't too keen on me.

[00:18:39] Like having,

[00:18:41] there's no way to say this.

[00:18:42] That sounded like a shitty dude,

[00:18:42] but like having my own life,

[00:18:44] you know what I mean?

[00:18:44] Like,

[00:18:45] like if,

[00:18:45] if,

[00:18:46] if we were still together now,

[00:18:47] we would be one of those couples that has like a Facebook account.

[00:18:49] That's for the two of us.

[00:18:50] You know what I mean?

[00:18:50] Like it would be like Greg and Shandy,

[00:18:52] you know,

[00:18:52] like that would be our thing,

[00:18:55] dude.

[00:18:56] So sorry.

[00:18:56] That's rough in the kitchen.

[00:18:57] You have live,

[00:18:58] laugh,

[00:18:58] love.

[00:18:58] Yeah,

[00:18:59] dude.

[00:18:59] And I'm not white.

[00:19:00] So like,

[00:19:00] I don't want that shit.

[00:19:02] We're going to,

[00:19:03] we're going to Tammy and Brad's this weekend.

[00:19:05] Oh dude.

[00:19:05] I totally would have changed my name to Brad.

[00:19:07] So when we split up,

[00:19:08] I went,

[00:19:09] I'm already getting gigs.

[00:19:10] Actually,

[00:19:10] we broke up the morning that I had my first weekend hosting gig at yuck yucks in Ottawa.

[00:19:16] Oh wow.

[00:19:17] So I had to like move my stuff into my car.

[00:19:19] I didn't have a place to stay.

[00:19:20] I stayed in like the parking lot of the Marriott and,

[00:19:23] and did my show at the yuck yucks and then went down and went to sleep.

[00:19:26] Like,

[00:19:27] yeah.

[00:19:27] Um,

[00:19:28] pandemic hits music kind of takes a backseat,

[00:19:31] maybe not a backseat,

[00:19:32] but it morphs into comedy.

[00:19:35] Yes.

[00:19:35] You kind of decided to try something different or maybe meld the two together.

[00:19:41] Yeah.

[00:19:41] Yeah.

[00:19:42] So honestly,

[00:19:42] man,

[00:19:42] like I was a real comedy purist.

[00:19:44] Like I,

[00:19:45] I got the bug.

[00:19:47] I've wanted to do standup for so long.

[00:19:48] Like standup was like the first thing that I wanted to try,

[00:19:51] but it just looks like witchcraft.

[00:19:52] Like at least with the guitar,

[00:19:53] which is strange that way.

[00:19:54] But like,

[00:19:55] at least with the guitar,

[00:19:55] I could be like,

[00:19:56] he's moving his hands.

[00:19:57] He's doing a thing.

[00:19:57] I can figure that out.

[00:19:58] Whereas like someone talking and making people laugh.

[00:20:00] I was just like,

[00:20:01] what are you Gandalf?

[00:20:02] Like,

[00:20:02] get out of here.

[00:20:03] Um,

[00:20:04] so pandemic hits.

[00:20:05] I was on serve for like a month and then was just like,

[00:20:08] I can't do this.

[00:20:09] Like,

[00:20:09] this is ridiculous.

[00:20:10] I was out in the country in Lanark and I'm like,

[00:20:12] I,

[00:20:12] this is ridiculous.

[00:20:13] All I see are cows.

[00:20:14] Like I'm either going to be naked in a field or I'm going to like be a

[00:20:17] crazy guy with like a machete or something.

[00:20:19] Yeah.

[00:20:19] So I,

[00:20:20] uh,

[00:20:20] got a job.

[00:20:21] And then when we made the move to Smith's falls,

[00:20:24] I listened to a standup record by a comic named Che Durena,

[00:20:26] who's like pretty popular on Tik TOK.

[00:20:28] He's the follow me,

[00:20:29] you fucking idiots guy.

[00:20:30] Um,

[00:20:30] and,

[00:20:31] uh,

[00:20:31] changed my life.

[00:20:32] Like I listened to that and I was like,

[00:20:33] I'm going to fucking do this.

[00:20:34] I'm going to do this tonight.

[00:20:35] Like I,

[00:20:35] I mean,

[00:20:36] you know,

[00:20:36] ADHD,

[00:20:37] there's no like,

[00:20:38] yeah,

[00:20:38] in a month I'll save up for that thing.

[00:20:39] You just go tonight is the night where I got to have a frigging,

[00:20:42] I need another Les Paul jr.

[00:20:43] Absolutely.

[00:20:44] You know what I mean?

[00:20:46] Like,

[00:20:46] it's like,

[00:20:46] that's the way she goes.

[00:20:47] So I just did it.

[00:20:48] Yeah.

[00:20:48] Yeah.

[00:20:49] It depends for me.

[00:20:50] I,

[00:20:50] I totally relate to that.

[00:20:52] I get,

[00:20:53] I get the flood of like,

[00:20:56] okay.

[00:20:56] Yeah.

[00:20:57] Usually it's for me in the mornings and it's at nighttime in the day.

[00:21:01] I'm,

[00:21:01] I'm,

[00:21:02] I'm medicated.

[00:21:03] So through the day,

[00:21:04] I'm just kind of flat.

[00:21:05] Yeah.

[00:21:06] Not too happy.

[00:21:07] Not too sad.

[00:21:07] Just kind of,

[00:21:08] I'm functional,

[00:21:08] but I'm not,

[00:21:09] I'm not like dopey or anything.

[00:21:11] But anyway,

[00:21:12] um,

[00:21:12] but yeah,

[00:21:13] I totally get that now.

[00:21:14] And,

[00:21:14] but there's like all the stuff to do,

[00:21:16] but you get so excited.

[00:21:17] It's almost just the thought of,

[00:21:18] it's like,

[00:21:18] Ooh.

[00:21:19] And then,

[00:21:19] and then it's like,

[00:21:20] I get home from like,

[00:21:21] say I'm on a bike ride and my bike ride is like the,

[00:21:23] the stimulant,

[00:21:24] right?

[00:21:24] Where it's just like,

[00:21:25] I'm doing stuff.

[00:21:26] I'm watching people this,

[00:21:26] and I get all these thoughts and I think about all these things in my mind.

[00:21:29] And I'm like,

[00:21:30] Oh shit.

[00:21:30] I wish I wasn't on this bike ride right now.

[00:21:32] Cause I'd totally go home and do that.

[00:21:33] And when I come home to do it,

[00:21:35] I end up just sitting here.

[00:21:36] Oh dude.

[00:21:36] I know that immediately.

[00:21:37] I write all of my jokes in the car.

[00:21:39] All of my jokes are written in the car.

[00:21:40] Cause I can't like be the guy to sit in front of a computer and just be like,

[00:21:44] all right.

[00:21:44] And then what's the deal with,

[00:21:46] you know,

[00:21:46] coffee?

[00:21:47] Like I can't,

[00:21:47] I can't do that shit.

[00:21:48] What's the deal?

[00:21:50] That's a good sign.

[00:21:51] Yeah.

[00:21:52] Anyway,

[00:21:53] no,

[00:21:53] I get it,

[00:21:53] man.

[00:21:54] I get it.

[00:21:54] Comedy to me is terrifying because I,

[00:21:58] I think I was funnier when I was younger,

[00:22:00] but I didn't mean to be.

[00:22:01] People always say like,

[00:22:02] I'm funny,

[00:22:03] but it's usually just me being me and I'm kind of a bumbling idiot.

[00:22:06] Yeah.

[00:22:06] But to try,

[00:22:07] actually try and make people laugh.

[00:22:09] Yeah.

[00:22:10] Is,

[00:22:11] I just don't think I have the,

[00:22:12] the,

[00:22:13] the,

[00:22:13] I don't know.

[00:22:15] It's terrifying.

[00:22:15] You have to be fearless.

[00:22:16] Almost.

[00:22:17] You have to,

[00:22:17] you have to be willing to just,

[00:22:18] I guess it's like music to just fall on your face.

[00:22:21] Yeah.

[00:22:21] Yeah.

[00:22:22] And I,

[00:22:22] I am one of those people that like much to the chagrin of other comedians,

[00:22:26] um,

[00:22:27] believe that everyone should do comedy.

[00:22:30] I don't think everyone should be a comedian,

[00:22:31] but I think everyone should do comedy.

[00:22:33] It's like such a great,

[00:22:35] you,

[00:22:35] whether you do well or you don't,

[00:22:38] you're just up there giving it your all.

[00:22:41] First off,

[00:22:41] you get the dopamine rush of like doing something that's terrifying.

[00:22:44] Like speaking,

[00:22:45] public speaking is like the number one fear for a lot of people,

[00:22:47] more so than like skydiving,

[00:22:49] skydiving,

[00:22:49] which is crazy.

[00:22:50] Um,

[00:22:51] and you get up there and it's just like,

[00:22:54] you have so much confidence,

[00:22:56] you know,

[00:22:57] learn so much about yourself and that five minutes of just trying to make

[00:23:00] people laugh and like pushing yourself over that.

[00:23:03] It's like,

[00:23:03] um,

[00:23:05] I mean,

[00:23:05] it's like setting a new PR record in like in some fitness thing where you do

[00:23:09] something that you feel like you could never have accomplished before.

[00:23:11] It's crazy.

[00:23:12] It's wild.

[00:23:12] I think everybody should at least try stand up once.

[00:23:15] Uh,

[00:23:15] it's wonderful.

[00:23:16] I've been to many,

[00:23:18] uh,

[00:23:18] professional comedy show.

[00:23:19] Yeah.

[00:23:20] Had an amazing time.

[00:23:21] Um,

[00:23:22] I've also been to many open mics.

[00:23:24] Yeah.

[00:23:26] And I,

[00:23:27] I have nothing but respect for the guys that go up and try it,

[00:23:30] but I've watched people just the crickets.

[00:23:33] Oh,

[00:23:33] it's crazy.

[00:23:34] Yeah.

[00:23:34] And it's just like,

[00:23:35] I've gone up and played music and then you wait,

[00:23:38] the way,

[00:23:38] you know,

[00:23:39] people aren't listening to what you're doing is they just,

[00:23:40] you hear the talking,

[00:23:41] they continue their conversation right in the background.

[00:23:44] And it's like,

[00:23:45] that's fine.

[00:23:46] You know,

[00:23:46] at least I'm elevator music and you know,

[00:23:47] I'm there,

[00:23:48] but it's just like,

[00:23:49] if you tell a joke,

[00:23:50] which you'd like practice and you know,

[00:23:52] your mom said was funny and stuff like that.

[00:23:53] And then it's just like,

[00:23:56] you know,

[00:23:56] it's that weird thing.

[00:23:57] That's it's,

[00:23:58] I feel like,

[00:23:59] um,

[00:24:00] uh,

[00:24:00] George McFly.

[00:24:01] I don't think I could handle that.

[00:24:02] Yeah.

[00:24:03] But that's the thing,

[00:24:04] man.

[00:24:04] That's,

[00:24:04] that's what's so crazy about it is like you know,

[00:24:07] you're right.

[00:24:08] Not everybody can handle that type of rejection.

[00:24:10] I know a lot of people that have like their first bomb.

[00:24:11] They're like,

[00:24:11] I'll never do it again.

[00:24:12] But the thing is,

[00:24:13] is like,

[00:24:15] it forces you to be like,

[00:24:16] it's not,

[00:24:18] it's not me.

[00:24:19] Like,

[00:24:19] it's like when you bomb,

[00:24:21] it's akin to being like,

[00:24:22] oh,

[00:24:23] I played the wrong note there.

[00:24:24] You know what I mean?

[00:24:25] And then you just go back to the drawing board and you're like,

[00:24:26] okay,

[00:24:26] I'm going to try G natural instead of G minor and see if that works next time.

[00:24:30] And then the problem is you have to sit in the fact that you played a G natural

[00:24:34] until next week when you can get on stage and be like,

[00:24:37] please for the love of God,

[00:24:37] let it be G minor.

[00:24:38] Let that be the secret.

[00:24:40] right.

[00:24:47] Had the whiplash guy throw a stick at you.

[00:24:49] You know what I mean?

[00:24:50] I have not,

[00:24:50] we've all struggled as musicians.

[00:24:52] I have not had the same struggles that like a jazz guy who's going to Humber right now has had just the same way that like,

[00:24:58] so a lot of people haven't been ignored if they've sold a bunch of tickets to their shows and shit like that in a coffee shop.

[00:25:03] You know what I mean?

[00:25:04] Like it's just like,

[00:25:04] that's the thing.

[00:25:05] Yeah.

[00:25:05] Not my tempo.

[00:25:06] Yeah.

[00:25:07] Absolutely.

[00:25:09] Yeah.

[00:25:09] Yeah.

[00:25:10] Yeah.

[00:25:10] Well,

[00:25:11] still,

[00:25:11] but it helps when you're funny and you're funny.

[00:25:13] Thanks man.

[00:25:13] Thanks.

[00:25:14] Were you always funny?

[00:25:15] Uh,

[00:25:15] no,

[00:25:16] I was one of the,

[00:25:16] I was one of the kids.

[00:25:17] You worked your way to the,

[00:25:18] yeah.

[00:25:18] Yeah.

[00:25:19] Well,

[00:25:19] it's like,

[00:25:19] there is like a science behind comedy.

[00:25:22] You know what I mean?

[00:25:22] I try not to get too,

[00:25:24] too into it.

[00:25:25] You know what I mean?

[00:25:26] Just cause it's like,

[00:25:26] it takes a little bit of the mystique out of it,

[00:25:28] but there is like,

[00:25:29] like a misdirect is like,

[00:25:30] it's pretty funny.

[00:25:34] You least expect,

[00:25:34] which is why comedians like Anthony Jesselnik,

[00:25:37] who like perform comedy.

[00:25:39] That's basically like Twitter.

[00:25:41] You know what I mean?

[00:25:41] It's like,

[00:25:42] you could,

[00:25:42] you could read that on a page and it's just as funny as when you hear his

[00:25:44] delivery of it.

[00:25:45] Maybe not just as funny as delivery obviously makes a,

[00:25:47] it makes an impact,

[00:25:48] but,

[00:25:49] you know,

[00:25:50] there,

[00:25:50] there's that.

[00:25:51] Um,

[00:25:51] for me,

[00:25:52] I write the idea and then I know how I'm going to get to it,

[00:25:56] but I try to get to it a different way each time,

[00:25:59] which is probably an ADHD thing again,

[00:26:00] but of course you go all the branches of the tree.

[00:26:03] Yes.

[00:26:03] Yeah.

[00:26:04] Um,

[00:26:04] but the beauty of it is,

[00:26:05] or the,

[00:26:06] is that you,

[00:26:06] you write the song and that's,

[00:26:08] that's the joke almost.

[00:26:09] Right?

[00:26:10] Yeah.

[00:26:10] Like I was listening to your,

[00:26:11] your record,

[00:26:12] your comedy record,

[00:26:13] which is super,

[00:26:14] super funny.

[00:26:15] Thanks man.

[00:26:15] I,

[00:26:16] like I said,

[00:26:16] before I have people on,

[00:26:18] I,

[00:26:18] I kind of brainstorm,

[00:26:20] I cram like all their stuff on the day of just so it's in my brain.

[00:26:24] Cause if I do it yesterday,

[00:26:26] I have to do it again today.

[00:26:28] Yeah.

[00:26:28] So I put on,

[00:26:29] uh,

[00:26:30] black man,

[00:26:31] white privilege.

[00:26:32] Yes.

[00:26:33] I put it on at the gym today.

[00:26:34] Yeah.

[00:26:35] And it's super unique.

[00:26:36] Cause it starts off kind of as a comedy.

[00:26:38] And then you start with these songs and you even say it on the,

[00:26:42] uh,

[00:26:42] it's before the,

[00:26:43] I think it's right before the first song you're like,

[00:26:45] yeah,

[00:26:45] I know comedian who plays music or funny songs.

[00:26:48] Like I know what you're expecting or whatever you said.

[00:26:50] And I did that.

[00:26:51] I was like,

[00:26:52] Oh no.

[00:26:53] Yeah.

[00:26:53] Yeah.

[00:26:53] You know what I mean?

[00:26:54] And then you start playing and they're super funny.

[00:26:57] Thanks dude.

[00:26:57] It's like energetic and it's still as charismatic as,

[00:27:00] as just standup.

[00:27:01] Yeah.

[00:27:02] But it's in a song.

[00:27:03] And then I thought about like,

[00:27:04] I listened to the,

[00:27:05] like,

[00:27:05] um,

[00:27:06] I love the,

[00:27:06] the,

[00:27:06] the hand and it's dirty.

[00:27:08] Yeah.

[00:27:08] It's adult humor,

[00:27:09] if you will.

[00:27:10] Yeah.

[00:27:10] But it's funny adult humor.

[00:27:12] It's not,

[00:27:12] it doesn't cross a line into like vulgar,

[00:27:15] like that poor taste.

[00:27:17] You know what I mean?

[00:27:17] It's just funny everyday stuff.

[00:27:19] And it's how people talk nowadays.

[00:27:21] Yeah.

[00:27:21] Like the hand job song.

[00:27:22] Yeah.

[00:27:23] Yeah.

[00:27:23] This,

[00:27:23] uh,

[00:27:23] this next one's for the boys,

[00:27:25] right?

[00:27:25] Sundays are for the boys.

[00:27:26] All right.

[00:27:27] Fuck yeah.

[00:27:28] Fuck yeah,

[00:27:28] dude.

[00:27:28] Penises and shit.

[00:27:29] Anyways,

[00:27:30] um,

[00:27:32] I was dumb.

[00:27:33] Uh,

[00:27:35] when you're in a relationship,

[00:27:36] as they'd outlined earlier for quite some time,

[00:27:39] the sex conversation gets a little awkward.

[00:27:41] Maybe your partner's been doing a little,

[00:27:42] a little something,

[00:27:42] something that you aren't really into.

[00:27:44] Never have been,

[00:27:45] but you're just happy to keep getting it.

[00:27:47] So I'll have that uncomfortable conversation for you.

[00:27:53] And if you agree,

[00:27:54] thank you.

[00:27:55] If you agree,

[00:27:56] you just laugh,

[00:27:56] clap along,

[00:27:57] sing along if you want to.

[00:27:59] Uh,

[00:28:00] all of these jokes rhyme,

[00:28:01] so you can't be upset.

[00:28:02] Cool.

[00:28:09] Yeah,

[00:28:10] this one's a rocking one.

[00:28:12] We lock eyes from across the bar.

[00:28:14] We waste no time.

[00:28:20] Down our drinks,

[00:28:21] hit it off.

[00:28:22] You and me,

[00:28:23] it is go time.

[00:28:27] Well,

[00:28:28] I call a cab,

[00:28:29] and you tell your friends,

[00:28:32] you and me have some idea where this night ends.

[00:28:36] You say you've got a surprise,

[00:28:40] beckon me to close my eyes.

[00:28:44] Well,

[00:28:44] I open wide,

[00:28:45] and your hands are oiled.

[00:28:48] Let's call a spade a spade now,

[00:28:50] baby,

[00:28:50] our evening is spoiled,

[00:28:52] cause nobody wants a handjob,

[00:28:58] handjob.

[00:29:00] You don't like giving them,

[00:29:01] I don't like getting them,

[00:29:02] why don't we agree to stop?

[00:29:03] Yeah,

[00:29:04] nobody wants a handjob.

[00:29:46] What's the deal with all that lube?

[00:29:49] You trying to make your hand feel like a mouth too?

[00:29:51] Well,

[00:29:51] here's a cool tip that I got for you.

[00:29:53] Just fucking use your mouth.

[00:30:02] I've crunched the numbers.

[00:30:03] I don't think I'm wrong.

[00:30:05] Whether you're using hands or feet,

[00:30:06] there's nobody better at beating my meat than me.

[00:30:09] I said it once,

[00:30:09] and I said it proud.

[00:30:10] When it comes to handjobs,

[00:30:11] baby,

[00:30:12] choose a crowd.

[00:30:16] Nobody wants a handjob.

[00:30:16] Fuck you guys,

[00:30:17] that's a great joke.

[00:30:19] Nobody wants a handjob.

[00:30:22] You don't like giving them,

[00:30:23] I don't like getting them,

[00:30:24] why don't we agree to stop?

[00:30:25] Yeah,

[00:30:26] nobody wants a five-figure death punch,

[00:30:29] beat my dick a whole bunch,

[00:30:30] why you gotta polish my knife,

[00:30:31] man?

[00:30:40] I started thinking about like,

[00:30:41] it's brilliant because it's like,

[00:30:43] yeah,

[00:30:44] he could have stood there

[00:30:45] and just talked that joke through.

[00:30:47] Yeah.

[00:30:48] But the song was actually a good song

[00:30:50] because I got,

[00:30:50] I had the,

[00:30:51] I was,

[00:30:52] it was like an earworm.

[00:30:53] Like,

[00:30:53] you don't get earworms from people talking.

[00:30:55] Yeah,

[00:30:55] yeah,

[00:30:56] yeah.

[00:30:56] So it's like,

[00:30:56] what a vehicle to get that joke across.

[00:30:59] Thanks,

[00:31:00] dude.

[00:31:00] Yeah,

[00:31:00] and I like the catchiness of it.

[00:31:02] Like,

[00:31:02] I find that it's sticking in people's memories,

[00:31:03] like really helps me.

[00:31:04] You know what I mean?

[00:31:05] I mean,

[00:31:05] it almost won me a damn comedy competition one year.

[00:31:07] They,

[00:31:07] they didn't know my name,

[00:31:08] but they just kept writing the guitar guy,

[00:31:10] the guitar guy on the voting ballot.

[00:31:12] So it's,

[00:31:12] you,

[00:31:13] you come out of nowhere with that from that,

[00:31:16] uh,

[00:31:16] to,

[00:31:16] oh,

[00:31:17] yeah,

[00:31:17] you know what I mean?

[00:31:18] So that's,

[00:31:19] I think that's special.

[00:31:20] I totally do.

[00:31:20] And I get it.

[00:31:21] Cause I'm not a huge fan of like,

[00:31:22] I mean like there's like the,

[00:31:23] the Mount Rushmore of musical comedy,

[00:31:25] you know,

[00:31:25] like Adam Sandler and weird Alan shit like that.

[00:31:27] But it's like,

[00:31:27] like at the end of the day,

[00:31:28] like I don't like Bo Burnham.

[00:31:29] I think he's pretentious.

[00:31:30] Like I,

[00:31:31] you know,

[00:31:31] like there's a lot of it that's just like,

[00:31:32] okay,

[00:31:33] enough.

[00:31:33] Like Tim mentions like kind of funny sometimes and kind of like smelling his own farts the rest of the time and being like,

[00:31:39] I'm writing a musical.

[00:31:40] And I'm like,

[00:31:40] I don't care.

[00:31:41] Like,

[00:31:42] you know,

[00:31:42] like where's the funny part,

[00:31:43] you know?

[00:31:44] So it's like,

[00:31:45] yeah.

[00:31:45] I mean,

[00:31:46] even bringing the guitar on stage for the first time,

[00:31:49] I hated it.

[00:31:50] Like,

[00:31:50] I was like,

[00:31:51] I just think this song's funny.

[00:31:52] And if it isn't,

[00:31:53] I'll never do this again.

[00:31:54] And now I'm,

[00:31:55] you know,

[00:31:56] like nine songs,

[00:31:57] nine comedy songs in.

[00:31:58] Sure.

[00:31:59] And that's what I was going to say.

[00:32:00] It must be like,

[00:32:00] but it's,

[00:32:01] it's,

[00:32:01] it's more work,

[00:32:03] right?

[00:32:03] Because you could take a,

[00:32:04] tell a joke and just like tell the joke different every time,

[00:32:06] I suppose.

[00:32:07] But then it's like,

[00:32:08] oh,

[00:32:08] I have this really great idea.

[00:32:09] He's really great.

[00:32:10] I don't know.

[00:32:10] Are they still lyrics?

[00:32:11] I guess they're still.

[00:32:12] Yeah.

[00:32:12] Yeah.

[00:32:13] Sure.

[00:32:13] Yeah.

[00:32:13] But that's the joke.

[00:32:14] Like the whole,

[00:32:15] the song is the,

[00:32:16] it's like a joke sort of not like,

[00:32:18] it's not a joke,

[00:32:19] but yeah,

[00:32:19] no,

[00:32:20] no,

[00:32:20] no.

[00:32:24] But then you have to write a song.

[00:32:26] Yes.

[00:32:26] Yeah.

[00:32:26] Like it can't,

[00:32:27] and it can't be a shitty song.

[00:32:28] It still has to be like a song people want to hear.

[00:32:31] Yeah.

[00:32:31] Yeah.

[00:32:31] So that's like,

[00:32:31] it's like double duty.

[00:32:33] It's like,

[00:32:33] I have to be funny.

[00:32:34] And this song kind of can't suck.

[00:32:35] Yeah.

[00:32:36] Yeah.

[00:32:36] Well,

[00:32:36] the song for me is the first part.

[00:32:38] The song has to be,

[00:32:39] the song has to be a great song or a good song.

[00:32:43] And then the jokes can be swapped out.

[00:32:44] Cause if there's something that's like,

[00:32:46] if there's something that's like not funny,

[00:32:48] I can just try it.

[00:32:50] Doesn't work.

[00:32:51] And then go in and replace it later.

[00:32:52] Yeah.

[00:32:52] But if the song is catchy enough that it sticks in people's ears,

[00:32:55] then I'm like,

[00:32:55] okay,

[00:32:55] I've got something here.

[00:32:57] The second verse was shit.

[00:32:58] I got to go and fix that.

[00:32:59] Yeah.

[00:33:00] You know what I mean?

[00:33:00] Like that's,

[00:33:00] that's my thesis.

[00:33:02] Yeah.

[00:33:02] That like,

[00:33:02] I don't,

[00:33:03] I don't write funny songs.

[00:33:04] I just try to write a song and I fail miserably.

[00:33:06] So now you're doing like double duty on top of it and it's all good.

[00:33:09] So I'm again,

[00:33:09] I'm envious.

[00:33:10] So yeah,

[00:33:11] I find that easier.

[00:33:12] I try to write good songs.

[00:33:13] And I,

[00:33:13] again,

[00:33:13] I walk that line of like,

[00:33:15] is this too serving of the guitar players side of me?

[00:33:18] Or is this too,

[00:33:19] like,

[00:33:19] I can tell that you just listen to rain dogs by Tom Waits and you're really

[00:33:22] trying to be poetic here,

[00:33:23] buddy.

[00:33:24] You know what I mean?

[00:33:24] Like I find comedy is that one thing that for me,

[00:33:27] it's just very easy to kind of like get out creatively.

[00:33:30] And I don't take myself seriously.

[00:33:32] Like I would love to be,

[00:33:33] my girlfriend is a phenomenal singer songwriter,

[00:33:36] melts people's hearts and keeps an audience like captivated for the entire

[00:33:39] time that they're like watching.

[00:33:40] And I feel like a dork if I try to do the same thing she's doing because

[00:33:44] she's so fucking good at it.

[00:33:45] I feel like I'm an imposter because I'm not a silly,

[00:33:48] I'm a silly dude.

[00:33:49] Like I'm,

[00:33:49] I mean,

[00:33:50] you check my Instagram.

[00:33:50] People are always like,

[00:33:51] yeah,

[00:33:51] we'd love to come to your shows,

[00:33:52] but you don't post your shows.

[00:33:53] You post a photo of cashews that say mixed nuts.

[00:33:57] And then you laughing covered in water.

[00:33:59] And I'm like,

[00:33:59] yeah,

[00:33:59] it's my content,

[00:34:00] dude.

[00:34:00] And like,

[00:34:01] enjoy,

[00:34:01] you know what I mean?

[00:34:02] Yeah.

[00:34:02] It's like,

[00:34:02] that's,

[00:34:03] that's,

[00:34:04] that's,

[00:34:04] that's who I am.

[00:34:05] Yeah.

[00:34:05] This guy.

[00:34:06] Yeah,

[00:34:06] exactly.

[00:34:08] It's just pictures of me just with my tongue out,

[00:34:11] staring at the camera.

[00:34:12] Like that's,

[00:34:13] that's what I'm looking for.

[00:34:13] I appreciate that.

[00:34:15] I'm in a band.

[00:34:18] I've been,

[00:34:19] that is me,

[00:34:20] I guess,

[00:34:20] since 2011.

[00:34:21] And I'd always write stupid songs.

[00:34:24] Like every once in a while,

[00:34:25] I'd just write one.

[00:34:26] Like I have a song called,

[00:34:27] don't put it in me.

[00:34:28] Yeah.

[00:34:28] That's so good.

[00:34:29] Yeah.

[00:34:30] I have a song called,

[00:34:32] I'll,

[00:34:32] I'll,

[00:34:32] I'll,

[00:34:33] they're,

[00:34:33] they're like between the punk songs.

[00:34:35] Yeah.

[00:34:35] They're just like the 32nd little.

[00:34:37] Yeah.

[00:34:38] Um,

[00:34:38] yeah.

[00:34:38] I have a song called,

[00:34:39] but baby.

[00:34:40] That's great because it's,

[00:34:42] I,

[00:34:43] I,

[00:34:43] I,

[00:34:43] I won't consensually put it in your vajayjay,

[00:34:46] but I would gladly put it in your butt.

[00:34:47] Cause you can't have a baby out your butt.

[00:34:50] Out your butt.

[00:34:51] That's so good.

[00:34:52] Maybe.

[00:34:52] Hey,

[00:34:53] anyway,

[00:34:54] maybe.

[00:34:54] No,

[00:34:55] no,

[00:34:55] I can't.

[00:34:56] I'm not going to make a comedy album.

[00:34:57] Yeah.

[00:34:57] Cause I don't,

[00:34:58] I don't have,

[00:34:58] like I said,

[00:34:59] I don't have your grace.

[00:35:00] It's all meat and potatoes,

[00:35:01] but just bad.

[00:35:02] That's so,

[00:35:03] that's so funny.

[00:35:03] I'll play a couple of those later.

[00:35:05] Yeah,

[00:35:06] please.

[00:35:06] Anyway.

[00:35:07] Um,

[00:35:09] a podcast.

[00:35:10] You also have a podcast.

[00:35:11] Yes.

[00:35:11] Yeah.

[00:35:11] Podcast.

[00:35:12] Same name as the album,

[00:35:13] black man,

[00:35:13] white privilege.

[00:35:14] Yeah.

[00:35:14] And that's on Spotify.

[00:35:17] It's on all the,

[00:35:18] all the places we're taking a little bit of a break right now.

[00:35:20] Cause I am moving back to Kingston.

[00:35:21] So we've got like a couple episodes banked,

[00:35:23] but we're going to release some just so there's not like a huge,

[00:35:25] um,

[00:35:27] inconsistency.

[00:35:27] We,

[00:35:27] you know,

[00:35:28] it's,

[00:35:28] we would like to think that we're doing this for the people we're doing it

[00:35:31] for the algorithm.

[00:35:32] So I've got,

[00:35:33] I've got to find like a consistent posting schedule.

[00:35:36] So it's going to be monthly until I get my studio situated back at my new

[00:35:40] place.

[00:35:40] But,

[00:35:41] uh,

[00:35:41] yeah,

[00:35:41] yeah.

[00:35:42] It's,

[00:35:42] uh,

[00:35:42] it's so much fun,

[00:35:43] man.

[00:35:43] What is it?

[00:35:44] What's what is it?

[00:35:45] Oh,

[00:35:45] that's all it is.

[00:35:45] Yeah.

[00:35:46] It's just me talking about everything.

[00:35:47] And it's just,

[00:35:48] yeah,

[00:35:49] I'm,

[00:35:49] I'm unmedicated for ADHD.

[00:35:50] It was on Adderall for a little bit and then I took it off.

[00:35:52] So it's just,

[00:35:53] it's like one man improv essentially.

[00:35:55] I just,

[00:35:55] every thought that comes up here,

[00:35:57] I just go with it.

[00:35:58] And I see,

[00:35:59] I think one episode recently that's about to drop.

[00:36:02] I talked about how littering is worse than cheating,

[00:36:04] uh,

[00:36:05] because eventually you're going to kill a bunch of crows that try to eat your

[00:36:08] litter.

[00:36:09] And then the crow dad's going to watch it and he's going to end up becoming

[00:36:11] the crow punisher.

[00:36:12] And then a whole bunch of dudes named Braden are going to get killed by the

[00:36:14] crow punisher.

[00:36:15] Like it was,

[00:36:15] it was just,

[00:36:16] and this went on for like five minutes.

[00:36:18] That's the tick tock version.

[00:36:19] I get it.

[00:36:20] I get it.

[00:36:21] Yeah.

[00:36:21] Um,

[00:36:24] Logan doing stuff.

[00:36:26] Yes.

[00:36:27] That's your Instagram page.

[00:36:28] Yeah.

[00:36:28] That's my Instagram.

[00:36:29] And that's what we're looking at right here.

[00:36:30] Again,

[00:36:31] audio podcast.

[00:36:32] And just by clicking on it and opening it up,

[00:36:35] it's just,

[00:36:36] it's just kind of you doing you.

[00:36:38] Yeah.

[00:36:39] It's just me doing me,

[00:36:39] dude.

[00:36:40] And these are just little videos that you kind of promote your comedy and

[00:36:44] your stuff with.

[00:36:44] Yeah.

[00:36:45] Yeah.

[00:36:45] Yeah.

[00:36:45] Yeah.

[00:36:45] And it's like,

[00:36:46] well,

[00:36:47] you know what,

[00:36:47] dude,

[00:36:47] like social media fucking sucks.

[00:36:49] Like,

[00:36:50] you know what I mean?

[00:36:50] Like,

[00:36:50] it's not,

[00:36:52] it's,

[00:36:52] it's just like,

[00:36:53] you're either getting told,

[00:36:55] uh,

[00:36:55] outright that you suck on the,

[00:36:57] on the platform or,

[00:36:58] uh,

[00:36:59] you're getting told like,

[00:37:01] uh,

[00:37:01] just by scrolling through and seeing people being better at the thing that

[00:37:04] you love.

[00:37:05] You know what I mean?

[00:37:06] And in the where,

[00:37:06] and that's where the checking your ego part comes into play.

[00:37:08] I,

[00:37:09] as well.

[00:37:10] But,

[00:37:10] uh,

[00:37:11] it's,

[00:37:11] it's a,

[00:37:11] it's a terrible thing that just sucks the dopamine right out of you.

[00:37:14] It causes you to teleport in time as well.

[00:37:16] You sit down at like nine in the morning and all of a sudden it's like 3 AM and

[00:37:19] you're like,

[00:37:19] how did this happen?

[00:37:20] Yeah.

[00:37:21] so for me doing social media in a way,

[00:37:25] cause like you gotta be somebody else every time you step out the front door,

[00:37:28] you know what I mean?

[00:37:28] You can only really be authentically you.

[00:37:30] So to come home and to need to put on another face because of quote unquote

[00:37:34] branding,

[00:37:34] I will work for the post office for the rest of my life.

[00:37:37] If it means that at least I get to artistically be myself to the fullest

[00:37:42] extent.

[00:37:43] Yeah,

[00:37:43] that's fair.

[00:37:44] That's fair.

[00:37:45] I,

[00:37:45] there's so much today as far as content too.

[00:37:48] And everybody who's anybody you see,

[00:37:50] just pick up any,

[00:37:51] any type of,

[00:37:51] uh,

[00:37:52] social media and it's the guy sitting in his car going,

[00:37:54] you know what?

[00:37:55] Yeah.

[00:37:56] Yeah.

[00:37:56] Yeah.

[00:37:56] Hey guys.

[00:37:57] You know what I mean?

[00:37:58] It's,

[00:37:59] it's like everybody,

[00:38:00] you know what I mean?

[00:38:01] It's like everybody.

[00:38:02] You're too good at that,

[00:38:03] dude.

[00:38:03] That's so good.

[00:38:05] It's like everybody has decided that they are some sort of,

[00:38:09] or they have,

[00:38:10] I guess they have a voice.

[00:38:10] Everyone has a voice.

[00:38:11] Yeah.

[00:38:11] Yeah.

[00:38:11] Everybody,

[00:38:12] but it doesn't mean that they have to see it.

[00:38:13] Everyone has to see it.

[00:38:14] And it's just like some people who like yourself,

[00:38:17] who have something to offer instead of just some commentary about something.

[00:38:22] Anyway,

[00:38:23] no,

[00:38:23] I'm,

[00:38:23] I'm with you a hundred percent,

[00:38:24] man.

[00:38:24] That's the thing that bothers me even about comedy.

[00:38:27] Like I,

[00:38:28] I love comedy.

[00:38:29] I think comedy is,

[00:38:30] is a fucking sick.

[00:38:32] And I love that.

[00:38:32] Anybody can do comedy.

[00:38:33] I love,

[00:38:33] there's so many different types of comedians.

[00:38:35] There's alt comics.

[00:38:35] There's like,

[00:38:36] you know,

[00:38:37] uh,

[00:38:37] insult comics.

[00:38:38] There's crowd work comics.

[00:38:39] There's guitar comics,

[00:38:39] uh,

[00:38:40] for better,

[00:38:40] for worse.

[00:38:41] Um,

[00:38:42] and I just,

[00:38:44] I have a real issue with just like the,

[00:38:46] the it's,

[00:38:47] it's the point first.

[00:38:48] And then the funny later type of thing,

[00:38:49] because it's just like,

[00:38:51] like,

[00:38:52] I mean,

[00:38:52] I just,

[00:38:54] from my perspective,

[00:38:55] it was like,

[00:38:55] people are spending like 20 bucks,

[00:38:56] 25 bucks to go out and see a comedy show.

[00:38:58] Uh,

[00:38:59] and it's just like,

[00:39:01] I don't know,

[00:39:01] man.

[00:39:01] Like if you're going to tell me about like your political opinions and I'm a

[00:39:05] left motherfucker,

[00:39:07] dude,

[00:39:07] like I'm,

[00:39:07] I am neurodivergent,

[00:39:09] not white,

[00:39:10] not straight.

[00:39:10] Like I am fucking left,

[00:39:12] dude.

[00:39:12] But if you're going to go out there and tell me any political opinion,

[00:39:15] regardless of where it falls in the spectrum,

[00:39:16] it's like,

[00:39:17] it better be the,

[00:39:17] this better be George Carlin too.

[00:39:20] You know what I mean?

[00:39:21] Like,

[00:39:21] and it never is,

[00:39:23] man.

[00:39:24] It's regurgitated crap that they heard from somebody else.

[00:39:27] Oh yeah.

[00:39:28] I steer clear of politics completely on this podcast because this is escapism.

[00:39:33] This is something else.

[00:39:35] And I think that's what comedy is there for.

[00:39:37] Yeah.

[00:39:37] If somebody passes away in your family,

[00:39:40] if you get broken up with by a,

[00:39:41] by a spouse or a loved one,

[00:39:43] or are you just having a bad day?

[00:39:45] Comedy is there to not think about that shit.

[00:39:47] Yeah.

[00:39:48] Dude,

[00:39:48] I'm a proud pee pee poo poo comedian.

[00:39:50] I don't care.

[00:39:50] Like I do not care.

[00:39:52] That was always my goat thing.

[00:39:54] It's just like,

[00:39:54] I wish I could just write a real song and not just write about dicks and farts all the time.

[00:39:57] Oh dude,

[00:39:58] it's the greatest.

[00:39:58] It's the greatest.

[00:39:59] I got to live that shit,

[00:40:00] man.

[00:40:00] Like I said,

[00:40:00] you know,

[00:40:01] like I got to go outside and live like what it's like to be anything,

[00:40:04] regardless of my political,

[00:40:05] you know,

[00:40:06] I got to go out there and live as a minority.

[00:40:08] Comedy is my escape.

[00:40:09] I'm not writing about it.

[00:40:10] Cool.

[00:40:10] It's funny that you said that because I did write some questions.

[00:40:12] Sometimes I prepare some questions.

[00:40:13] All right.

[00:40:14] With my crackhead journalism.

[00:40:15] Let's go.

[00:40:16] Uh,

[00:40:17] is there a line that can be crossed between being a dirty comic and just being a straight

[00:40:23] up like pig?

[00:40:24] Oh yeah,

[00:40:25] absolutely.

[00:40:26] Or is it all subjective?

[00:40:27] And what would be your line?

[00:40:29] Um,

[00:40:30] I think,

[00:40:31] I mean,

[00:40:31] yeah.

[00:40:32] Okay.

[00:40:32] Like easy answer is yeah.

[00:40:34] Art is subjective.

[00:40:34] So like fucking,

[00:40:35] yeah,

[00:40:36] of course.

[00:40:36] What bothers people for me in the words of the great Ralphie May,

[00:40:40] it's like when people are like,

[00:40:42] yeah,

[00:40:42] I want the gasp.

[00:40:43] I want people to,

[00:40:43] it's like,

[00:40:44] you can't laugh because a laugh is an exhale.

[00:40:47] And you can't gasp at the same time because that's an inhale.

[00:40:49] So you can't do those functions at the same time.

[00:40:51] So if you as a comic are going for anything other than the laugh,

[00:40:54] I don't care if your headline,

[00:40:55] I don't care if you're fucking Andrew Schultz,

[00:40:57] get the fuck out of here,

[00:40:58] man.

[00:40:58] I want to run you over with a truck.

[00:40:59] Uh,

[00:41:00] that's just my thing.

[00:41:00] I think this,

[00:41:01] the trick too,

[00:41:02] is to know,

[00:41:03] to know what you want to deliver to and not be just so oblivious to like drop

[00:41:08] something just for a cheap kind of,

[00:41:10] like you said,

[00:41:10] gasp or like a cheap,

[00:41:12] cheap laugh.

[00:41:13] Yeah.

[00:41:13] Yeah.

[00:41:14] You still have to have some responsibility regardless.

[00:41:17] Even though you're,

[00:41:17] you know,

[00:41:18] you're kind of off,

[00:41:20] you know?

[00:41:20] Yeah.

[00:41:21] You know,

[00:41:21] that shit fits best in like,

[00:41:24] um,

[00:41:25] when there's like three,

[00:41:26] like,

[00:41:26] I think Brett Forte is funny,

[00:41:28] like regardless of what he's done or,

[00:41:30] or said like out there for the purpose of offending people.

[00:41:34] I think Brett Forte is really funny.

[00:41:36] I think he's funniest when he's like in a,

[00:41:39] a comedy show where he's one of the only offensive comics on the,

[00:41:45] on the show.

[00:41:45] When he tours with his like dirty dogs,

[00:41:48] comedy tour or whatever,

[00:41:49] that scares the shit out of me.

[00:41:50] Cause that's like,

[00:41:51] you get like 150 people in a room that are all just like,

[00:41:53] like three of them are there to laugh and everybody else is there to have,

[00:41:56] just be like,

[00:41:57] yeah,

[00:41:57] I agree with you.

[00:41:58] Yeah.

[00:41:58] You know,

[00:41:59] that's,

[00:41:59] that's some weird shit.

[00:42:00] It's too much.

[00:42:01] I'm a pro wrestling fan.

[00:42:02] Yeah.

[00:42:03] And if in,

[00:42:04] in,

[00:42:05] in like a pro wrestling match,

[00:42:06] if every say there was 10 matches on the,

[00:42:08] on the card and every single match was in like a steel cage by about the

[00:42:12] third steel cage,

[00:42:13] you'd be like,

[00:42:13] uh,

[00:42:14] because you just,

[00:42:15] you,

[00:42:15] you blew the gag,

[00:42:16] right?

[00:42:16] Yeah.

[00:42:16] Yeah.

[00:42:17] Absolutely.

[00:42:17] So yeah,

[00:42:18] if there's like the one,

[00:42:19] uh,

[00:42:21] dirty comic.

[00:42:22] Yeah.

[00:42:22] Yeah.

[00:42:22] My finger quotes here.

[00:42:23] Dirty comic on the thing.

[00:42:24] Then he stands out more and it's more appropriately like structured.

[00:42:28] And everything like that.

[00:42:29] Yeah.

[00:42:29] But if they're all just dropping F bombs and shits,

[00:42:32] it's just like,

[00:42:33] okay.

[00:42:33] Yeah.

[00:42:34] It desensitizes you.

[00:42:35] And then all you get is like that.

[00:42:37] Uh,

[00:42:37] all right,

[00:42:38] I'm done with this.

[00:42:38] Like,

[00:42:38] okay.

[00:42:39] Yeah.

[00:42:39] You're very offensive.

[00:42:40] I mean,

[00:42:40] Brett Forte has one of the best,

[00:42:41] like N word jokes I've ever heard come out of a white guy's mouth.

[00:42:44] You know what I mean?

[00:42:45] But it's like,

[00:42:45] again,

[00:42:46] him on a show with like a bunch of other comedians that are like,

[00:42:48] I can't wait to say the N word as a white guy.

[00:42:50] When I get out there,

[00:42:51] I'm like,

[00:42:51] all right guys,

[00:42:51] that's enough.

[00:42:52] Like dial it back a little bit.

[00:42:53] Yeah.

[00:42:54] That's fair.

[00:42:55] That's fair.

[00:42:55] Um,

[00:42:56] that,

[00:42:57] uh,

[00:42:58] I don't know.

[00:42:59] I guess.

[00:42:59] Yeah.

[00:42:59] I guess how many comedians perform in a night?

[00:43:02] How,

[00:43:02] how,

[00:43:03] how many,

[00:43:03] how much can the audience take maybe three or four comedians?

[00:43:06] Yeah.

[00:43:06] On a professional show,

[00:43:07] it's usually like three or four.

[00:43:08] Cause I've got,

[00:43:08] I've gone to like shows where by the fourth or third,

[00:43:13] maybe near the end of the show,

[00:43:14] like I'm tapped.

[00:43:15] Yeah.

[00:43:15] Like it's still funny,

[00:43:16] but it's just like,

[00:43:18] ah,

[00:43:18] so yeah,

[00:43:19] yeah,

[00:43:19] no,

[00:43:19] I'm,

[00:43:19] I'm with you for sure.

[00:43:20] Is there a sweet spot on a,

[00:43:21] on a comedy night?

[00:43:22] 90 minutes.

[00:43:23] That's,

[00:43:23] that's yeah.

[00:43:24] A 90 minute show is like,

[00:43:25] you want your headliner doing 40,

[00:43:26] uh,

[00:43:27] your middle's doing 20 and then your host is opener,

[00:43:30] maybe doing six to eight.

[00:43:31] And then your host is doing 15 to 20 tops.

[00:43:34] Right.

[00:43:35] Yeah.

[00:43:35] Yeah.

[00:43:35] I was going to say like sweet spot as far as stage placement,

[00:43:37] like when you play music,

[00:43:39] if there's three people on the bill,

[00:43:40] you always want to be middle.

[00:43:41] Same.

[00:43:41] It's the same dude.

[00:43:42] Cause nobody's expecting anything from you.

[00:43:43] The host has got to be the guy to be like,

[00:43:45] Oh,

[00:43:45] what's going on here?

[00:43:46] Anybody from in,

[00:43:47] from out of town?

[00:43:47] Yeah.

[00:43:48] Openers,

[00:43:48] the opener.

[00:43:49] So you're going first.

[00:43:50] And then the middle,

[00:43:51] it's like,

[00:43:51] nobody expects anything.

[00:43:52] You just go up,

[00:43:53] you kill for 20 minutes,

[00:43:54] which is the easiest time slot.

[00:43:55] Cause you feel like you're just getting started.

[00:43:57] And then the headliner is the one where they read 40 credits before you go on stage.

[00:44:01] So people are like,

[00:44:01] all right,

[00:44:01] I better get my 50 bucks worth.

[00:44:03] That's right.

[00:44:03] And it's like,

[00:44:05] is middle.

[00:44:06] You're,

[00:44:06] you're,

[00:44:06] there's still some stragglers from the first,

[00:44:08] from the first act,

[00:44:09] like the crowd.

[00:44:09] They're like,

[00:44:10] okay,

[00:44:10] we'll stay here.

[00:44:11] And there's tons of people still waiting for the last act.

[00:44:14] So you got like the attention of all the,

[00:44:16] yeah.

[00:44:17] I'm,

[00:44:17] I'm relating this to music.

[00:44:18] Yeah.

[00:44:19] Yeah.

[00:44:19] Usually people are pretty good about showing up relatively on time and the comedy shows.

[00:44:24] There's leeway.

[00:44:24] Like when they say a show starts at eight 30,

[00:44:27] I probably shouldn't be given this information away because people are going to know that

[00:44:29] the show does not start at eight 30,

[00:44:30] but like comics know that they can show up at around eight 20.

[00:44:33] Cause the show's not starting till eight 45.

[00:44:35] Right.

[00:44:36] Yeah.

[00:44:36] And normally I guess if you buy a ticket to go see a comedy show,

[00:44:39] you're there to see all three.

[00:44:40] Like you're,

[00:44:40] you're there.

[00:44:41] It's not like,

[00:44:41] it's not like walking downtown and walk into a bar and paying your 10 bucks cover and

[00:44:45] listening to your band and going,

[00:44:47] that's enough.

[00:44:48] And then you leave even though there's like another two bands to go.

[00:44:51] Right.

[00:44:51] Yeah.

[00:44:51] Yeah.

[00:44:51] It's like,

[00:44:52] it's a full commitment.

[00:44:53] It's like 15,

[00:44:53] 20 bucks.

[00:44:54] Cause it's a show.

[00:44:55] Yeah.

[00:44:55] Yeah.

[00:44:55] Absolutely.

[00:44:55] Yeah.

[00:44:56] So that's what you're paying for.

[00:44:57] And you know,

[00:44:58] everything's expensive nowadays.

[00:44:59] Yeah.

[00:44:59] Yeah.

[00:45:00] Galen Weston.

[00:45:01] Yeah.

[00:45:02] Specifically him too.

[00:45:04] Yeah.

[00:45:04] Yeah.

[00:45:04] What is ruckus productions?

[00:45:06] Oh,

[00:45:06] that was a,

[00:45:07] that was a production company started by me and my,

[00:45:09] my two best friends.

[00:45:11] One of them is actually my roommate now,

[00:45:12] but yeah,

[00:45:12] we just,

[00:45:13] uh,

[00:45:14] just started doing a bunch of shows and then it became a,

[00:45:16] a podcast.

[00:45:18] Um,

[00:45:18] and the only thing that survived is a show that I thought of,

[00:45:21] uh,

[00:45:21] when I was driving at work and I pulled over and sent my boys a voice message.

[00:45:25] And I was like,

[00:45:25] strip joker.

[00:45:26] We get the comedians on stage.

[00:45:28] Every time they bomb a joke,

[00:45:28] they got to take clothing off.

[00:45:30] You know?

[00:45:31] Yeah,

[00:45:31] that was a,

[00:45:32] and then my,

[00:45:32] my one buddy is who is like,

[00:45:34] it's no longer a ruckus production.

[00:45:36] I think ruckus productions is defunct and it's just like under Kiyomazar's name.

[00:45:39] But,

[00:45:40] he just took the,

[00:45:41] took the idea and turned it into this incredible show.

[00:45:44] Like that's,

[00:45:45] that's,

[00:45:45] uh,

[00:45:45] it amazes me.

[00:45:47] Um,

[00:45:47] every time I I'm on it and every time I go and go and see it,

[00:45:50] he's like,

[00:45:50] he's the guy's a marketing fucking genius.

[00:45:52] Yeah.

[00:45:53] Yeah.

[00:45:53] That's cool.

[00:45:54] How do you,

[00:45:55] um,

[00:45:56] book comedy shows?

[00:45:57] Like you can't,

[00:45:58] I guess you can't always be at like a comedy club.

[00:46:00] Sometimes you just do it in.

[00:46:01] Yeah.

[00:46:02] The,

[00:46:02] um,

[00:46:03] the idea is you go first.

[00:46:05] Like it's like going to an open mic just to,

[00:46:06] to get on the show for that bar.

[00:46:08] You know what I mean?

[00:46:08] You go and impress the owner and then you're like,

[00:46:10] Hey,

[00:46:10] can I be here on a Friday night?

[00:46:11] Um,

[00:46:12] yeah,

[00:46:12] you go down and then you just,

[00:46:14] uh,

[00:46:14] watch the show.

[00:46:15] Say you're a comic.

[00:46:16] You try for a lotto,

[00:46:16] which is where you just put your name in a bucket and then hope to God they pull you out

[00:46:19] or pray to God they don't depending on how you're feeling that day.

[00:46:22] Um,

[00:46:23] and,

[00:46:23] uh,

[00:46:23] yeah,

[00:46:24] then you just,

[00:46:24] uh,

[00:46:24] get booked the next time that you're calling for spots.

[00:46:26] Yeah.

[00:46:27] And in the Ottawa comedy community,

[00:46:28] you just like write your name on the,

[00:46:30] one of the Facebook groups and just say spot and hope to God you're pulled for that week.

[00:46:33] There's like a bazillion bands in Ottawa.

[00:46:37] How many comedians are there active standup comics in Ottawa?

[00:46:41] Quite a bit,

[00:46:42] man.

[00:46:42] Yeah.

[00:46:43] I like,

[00:46:43] I maybe couple,

[00:46:45] maybe a hundred and something,

[00:46:46] maybe a couple hundred.

[00:46:47] There's at least 10 headlining,

[00:46:50] like have done JFL,

[00:46:51] have like done Winnipeg comedy festival,

[00:46:53] like have been on,

[00:46:54] like,

[00:46:55] uh,

[00:46:56] Rob Pugh lives here.

[00:46:57] He was on the boys.

[00:46:58] Like he was,

[00:46:59] yeah,

[00:46:59] yeah.

[00:46:59] He had a bit part in the boys.

[00:47:00] Like they,

[00:47:01] yeah,

[00:47:01] it's a,

[00:47:02] it's pretty,

[00:47:02] pretty great.

[00:47:03] Yeah.

[00:47:03] Crazy.

[00:47:03] Um,

[00:47:04] we're spoiled here,

[00:47:04] dude.

[00:47:05] Is it,

[00:47:05] do you,

[00:47:07] I guess if you play an acoustic guitar,

[00:47:08] you pretty much can play anywhere.

[00:47:11] But does it,

[00:47:12] is it the same for comedy?

[00:47:13] Like,

[00:47:13] because you have a hundred and something comedians,

[00:47:15] just like you have a hundred and something bands,

[00:47:17] but there's only like eight places to play.

[00:47:19] No comedians will find a way,

[00:47:22] dude.

[00:47:23] They,

[00:47:23] if you have a mic and a speaker,

[00:47:25] they'll show,

[00:47:25] I know a guy who like would busk,

[00:47:27] like he would,

[00:47:28] he would just like do crowd work to people walking by.

[00:47:30] We're animals,

[00:47:31] man.

[00:47:32] It's crazy.

[00:47:32] Yeah.

[00:47:33] Yeah.

[00:47:33] And you,

[00:47:34] you have like,

[00:47:35] obviously you have like,

[00:47:36] um,

[00:47:37] what would you call it?

[00:47:38] Like a set or.

[00:47:39] Yeah.

[00:47:40] Yeah.

[00:47:40] It's a set.

[00:47:40] Yeah.

[00:47:41] And how much of it is actually improv?

[00:47:42] Do you feed off the crowd?

[00:47:43] Like if you get heckled,

[00:47:44] uh,

[00:47:45] every now and again.

[00:47:46] Yeah.

[00:47:46] Yeah.

[00:47:46] I'm like,

[00:47:47] I'm super nice,

[00:47:48] man.

[00:47:48] Like my line is that I'm just not mean to people.

[00:47:50] And if I am,

[00:47:51] it's like in a buddy,

[00:47:52] buddy kind of way.

[00:47:52] Like there's some comics here who can really get away with saying some awful

[00:47:55] shit.

[00:47:55] And I've seen a few that make people cry because the rest of the crowd gets up

[00:47:58] and kind of like gangs in on them.

[00:48:00] Um,

[00:48:00] and if you're annoying,

[00:48:01] we're teeing off on you.

[00:48:02] Like that's,

[00:48:02] that's fair dinkums as far as I'm concerned.

[00:48:04] Like if you're disrupting the show.

[00:48:05] Yeah.

[00:48:06] But for the most part,

[00:48:07] like I,

[00:48:08] all my crowd work is like nice,

[00:48:10] like buddy shit.

[00:48:11] And,

[00:48:11] uh,

[00:48:12] yeah,

[00:48:12] I mean,

[00:48:12] I would say maybe like five minutes to 10 minutes of every set.

[00:48:17] If I'm doing like a headlining set is like,

[00:48:19] is I mean,

[00:48:20] regular standup and maybe like three of that is like improv,

[00:48:24] you know?

[00:48:24] But a lot of my shit is like,

[00:48:26] again,

[00:48:26] with the ADHD brain,

[00:48:27] like once I get going,

[00:48:28] I can't stop.

[00:48:29] And I'm usually,

[00:48:29] if I'm going on last or middle,

[00:48:31] I've seen two comics and watch them do crowd work.

[00:48:34] So like,

[00:48:35] I'm just waiting to get up and I've had like three or four jokes and I,

[00:48:37] please nobody say anything that's even close to this.

[00:48:40] So I can get up there and be like,

[00:48:41] yeah,

[00:48:41] you do look like Walmart doctor,

[00:48:43] Dr.

[00:48:43] Phil,

[00:48:44] you know what I mean?

[00:48:44] Like,

[00:48:44] yeah,

[00:48:45] yeah.

[00:48:45] That was,

[00:48:45] that was always my thing.

[00:48:46] If I was ever a standup comedian,

[00:48:48] I was always going to like take a break and be like,

[00:48:50] Hey,

[00:48:51] look at this fucking guy.

[00:48:52] Yeah.

[00:48:52] That would be my,

[00:48:53] my,

[00:48:54] my moment.

[00:48:54] Yeah.

[00:48:55] Yeah.

[00:48:55] Yeah.

[00:48:55] No,

[00:48:56] it's,

[00:48:56] it's fun,

[00:48:56] man.

[00:48:56] Crowd work is fun.

[00:48:57] Like,

[00:48:57] and you never know what you're going to get,

[00:48:59] but usually people are,

[00:49:00] again,

[00:49:00] I'm,

[00:49:01] I'm five,

[00:49:02] six,

[00:49:02] like I'm,

[00:49:03] you know,

[00:49:03] and I'm,

[00:49:03] I'm goofy.

[00:49:04] Like I start all my sets by singing cotton.

[00:49:06] I Joe and getting the audience to clap along with me.

[00:49:08] So it's like,

[00:49:08] you gotta break the ice.

[00:49:09] Yeah,

[00:49:10] man.

[00:49:10] It's just the second I get up there,

[00:49:11] people know that I'm just in here down for a silly ass time.

[00:49:14] And so they kind of like,

[00:49:15] you know,

[00:49:15] they drop the guard.

[00:49:16] I think,

[00:49:16] I think if they know comedians coming up to,

[00:49:19] they're there for,

[00:49:21] to expect something kind of.

[00:49:23] Yeah.

[00:49:23] Yeah.

[00:49:23] Some people do pay 20 bucks just to watch a black man cry sometimes,

[00:49:27] but,

[00:49:28] uh,

[00:49:29] I guess it depends on what part of the world you're in.

[00:49:32] Yeah.

[00:49:32] Yeah.

[00:49:32] I've done enough gigs in Cornwall,

[00:49:34] but,

[00:49:34] uh,

[00:49:34] you know,

[00:49:34] like it is.

[00:49:35] Yeah.

[00:49:36] Oh,

[00:49:38] no disrespect to the good people of Cornwall.

[00:49:40] Yeah.

[00:49:40] I love Cornwall.

[00:49:41] I'm fucking around.

[00:49:43] I'm just kidding.

[00:49:44] Fuck you.

[00:49:44] Cornwall.

[00:49:46] I worked in Cornwall for a little while,

[00:49:47] but that's a whole other podcast.

[00:49:50] Uh,

[00:49:51] so what do you got coming up?

[00:49:52] Um,

[00:49:52] yeah,

[00:49:53] man,

[00:49:53] I got,

[00:49:53] uh,

[00:49:54] I got a couple of like headlining spots that I'm doing.

[00:49:56] I think November,

[00:49:57] I got to pull up my damn calendar for this.

[00:49:59] November 23rd,

[00:50:00] I'm at the Royal Theater in Gannon,

[00:50:01] Ockway,

[00:50:02] Ontario.

[00:50:02] Um,

[00:50:03] it's a long way.

[00:50:04] Yeah.

[00:50:05] Yeah.

[00:50:06] Uh,

[00:50:06] yeah.

[00:50:06] Uh,

[00:50:07] November 23rd,

[00:50:07] I'm at the Royal Theater in Gannon,

[00:50:09] Ockway.

[00:50:09] And then I'm at Burnstown.

[00:50:10] I'm at neat cafe for a post Christmas,

[00:50:13] Christmas show on,

[00:50:14] uh,

[00:50:14] November 28th.

[00:50:15] Um,

[00:50:16] I'm going to be in Hudson at,

[00:50:17] uh,

[00:50:18] Cardinal Brewing.

[00:50:19] This,

[00:50:19] I don't know when this comes out October 27th.

[00:50:22] So sorry if you missed it.

[00:50:23] Um,

[00:50:24] uh,

[00:50:24] yeah,

[00:50:24] man,

[00:50:24] just doing spots.

[00:50:25] As I move back to Kingston,

[00:50:26] they've got that new comedy club time to laugh.

[00:50:28] So I'm just going to be,

[00:50:29] I've got the,

[00:50:29] um,

[00:50:30] the comedy album is out,

[00:50:32] but I filmed a special for it that I've like,

[00:50:34] cause I'm trying to get two birds stoned at once.

[00:50:36] So like the comedy album was to get on Sirius XM and get all the streaming stuff.

[00:50:39] And then for the YouTube algo,

[00:50:40] I'm going to chop up stuff and clip it the,

[00:50:42] the special.

[00:50:43] So that should be going up like,

[00:50:44] uh,

[00:50:45] probably early in the new year.

[00:50:47] Um,

[00:50:47] and then,

[00:50:47] uh,

[00:50:48] just get back to writing.

[00:50:49] I've got like maybe four or five new songs.

[00:50:52] I know three of them work.

[00:50:53] And then I've got to write a little bit more regular standup cause I like doing that too.

[00:50:57] So,

[00:50:57] and then I'll just put in another record and see where she goes.

[00:51:00] You couldn't have done it all by yourself.

[00:51:02] Who do you have anyone you want to give a shout out to or anyone you,

[00:51:05] yeah,

[00:51:10] had the first person ever take a chance on me in their comedy club was Nick Burden over at the laugh lounge.

[00:51:14] I think,

[00:51:15] uh,

[00:51:15] to this day it's like my favorite comedy club to perform at.

[00:51:17] It's home.

[00:51:18] Um,

[00:51:18] it's,

[00:51:19] uh,

[00:51:19] uh,

[00:51:20] I mean,

[00:51:20] Howie at,

[00:51:21] uh,

[00:51:21] at yucks has always treated me really nice.

[00:51:23] Um,

[00:51:24] any comedian that hasn't taken me seriously,

[00:51:27] even though I'm a,

[00:51:28] a new comic and be a guitar comic,

[00:51:31] I appreciate the fuck out of you.

[00:51:32] And my girlfriend,

[00:51:33] my girlfriend is the,

[00:51:34] is the greatest of all time.

[00:51:35] I fucking love her to death.

[00:51:36] And,

[00:51:37] uh,

[00:51:37] yeah,

[00:51:37] I'm,

[00:51:37] I'm,

[00:51:38] uh,

[00:51:38] I'm just having a great time,

[00:51:39] dude.

[00:51:39] I'm just having a fucking silly ass time,

[00:51:41] dude.

[00:51:41] This is great.

[00:51:42] It's amazing.

[00:51:43] All right.

[00:51:44] Well,

[00:51:45] I think that's the end of the conversation,

[00:51:47] but I have a game that I always play.

[00:51:50] Let's go,

[00:51:50] dude.

[00:51:51] It is called 13 questions with the band.

[00:51:54] I thought it was dark souls,

[00:51:54] but I'm equally pleased.

[00:51:56] Okay.

[00:51:56] So,

[00:51:57] uh,

[00:51:57] usually I'll ask consent before I get going.

[00:51:59] Will you play the game?

[00:52:00] Yeah,

[00:52:00] absolutely.

[00:52:01] Right.

[00:52:01] Time for 13 questions with the band.

[00:52:04] Yes.

[00:52:04] This segment's back again.

[00:52:06] It's called 13 questions,

[00:52:07] but I only asked six,

[00:52:09] maybe five all fucking coming apart.

[00:52:11] Here we go.

[00:52:12] Okay.

[00:52:13] So welcome back.

[00:52:14] Hey,

[00:52:14] this is 13 questions with the band,

[00:52:17] uh,

[00:52:18] the Logan Brown edition.

[00:52:19] Yeah,

[00:52:20] let's go.

[00:52:20] Okay.

[00:52:21] So I'm going to ask you a couple.

[00:52:22] I actually wrote up some new questions specifically for you,

[00:52:26] but I'm going to ask you,

[00:52:27] I'm going to ask you some music questions.

[00:52:29] Okay.

[00:52:30] Uh,

[00:52:30] just off the top of my head because they're,

[00:52:31] they're kind of standard for ego and vice.

[00:52:33] Um,

[00:52:34] what was the very first,

[00:52:36] uh,

[00:52:37] music,

[00:52:37] whether it be a CD or record or vinyl that you ever bought with your own money?

[00:52:43] Oh,

[00:52:43] Jimi Hendrix.

[00:52:44] Uh,

[00:52:44] it was like a greatest hit CDs.

[00:52:45] Like the,

[00:52:46] are you experienced a greatest hits thing?

[00:52:48] Yeah.

[00:52:48] The classics.

[00:52:49] Yeah.

[00:52:49] Yeah.

[00:52:50] So when he's wearing that fucking purple shirt,

[00:52:52] dude,

[00:52:52] and he's feed out like nobody's business,

[00:52:54] that one,

[00:52:55] dude,

[00:52:55] the purple,

[00:52:56] the puffy,

[00:52:56] was it a puffy shirt?

[00:52:57] Yeah.

[00:52:57] It was like a,

[00:52:58] it was like a blazer.

[00:52:59] It was like one of those like jackets,

[00:53:00] but not the like,

[00:53:01] uh,

[00:53:01] like I,

[00:53:01] I am in the British military jacket.

[00:53:03] Yeah.

[00:53:04] It was suave.

[00:53:05] You could,

[00:53:05] you could do worse than a nice blazer.

[00:53:07] Yeah.

[00:53:09] Jimi Hendrix and a nice blazer.

[00:53:10] It was in,

[00:53:11] he was in his fucking working in the office era then.

[00:53:14] Yeah.

[00:53:14] Right.

[00:53:15] Um,

[00:53:15] what was the very first,

[00:53:16] uh,

[00:53:17] live concert you were ever at?

[00:53:19] Uh,

[00:53:20] George Jones.

[00:53:21] I went to go see George Jones with my grandmother at the K rock center.

[00:53:24] It was not great.

[00:53:24] And then,

[00:53:25] yeah,

[00:53:25] the,

[00:53:26] what was great was the second,

[00:53:27] the second concert was April wine at the grand theater.

[00:53:29] RIP miles.

[00:53:30] Good one.

[00:53:30] April wine.

[00:53:31] There you go.

[00:53:31] There's a good,

[00:53:32] uh,

[00:53:32] that's a good Canadian.

[00:53:33] Uh,

[00:53:34] yeah,

[00:53:34] just fucking good Canadian boys.

[00:53:35] You know,

[00:53:36] those are like bands that play like the carp fair.

[00:53:38] Oh,

[00:53:39] bud,

[00:53:39] they went to the Kempville live music festival.

[00:53:41] We went out to Don cherries after just crushed a couple of pillies,

[00:53:44] you know,

[00:53:44] but that was,

[00:53:46] it's like giving her,

[00:53:47] give her down by the river,

[00:53:49] give her down by the river.

[00:53:50] My dad,

[00:53:51] I love that.

[00:53:51] That's good.

[00:53:52] I fucking trooper.

[00:53:54] Trooper.

[00:53:55] Great,

[00:53:55] dude.

[00:53:56] Um,

[00:53:59] do you have a musical,

[00:54:01] like when you were growing up,

[00:54:02] did you have like a musical like idol or,

[00:54:05] or a hero,

[00:54:06] if you will?

[00:54:06] Ooh,

[00:54:07] I mean,

[00:54:08] it's been pretty consistent since like grade 11,

[00:54:11] Ian Thornley from big rec.

[00:54:13] I think that guy is the greatest of all time.

[00:54:15] Yeah.

[00:54:16] He,

[00:54:17] yeah,

[00:54:17] I,

[00:54:18] I,

[00:54:18] but I honestly didn't really care for the big rec stuff.

[00:54:21] I liked his solo stuff when he was just like thornly.

[00:54:24] Really?

[00:54:24] Interesting.

[00:54:25] That shit was good.

[00:54:26] Yeah,

[00:54:26] man.

[00:54:26] It was like dirty.

[00:54:27] Like I found that was a little bit too Nickelback,

[00:54:30] Nickelbacky a little bit,

[00:54:31] a little bit to like 604 records production.

[00:54:34] But,

[00:54:35] uh,

[00:54:35] I mean,

[00:54:36] I don't know,

[00:54:37] man.

[00:54:37] I just think he's a baller for being like,

[00:54:38] let's do the wall of sound thing,

[00:54:39] but with a banjo,

[00:54:41] you know,

[00:54:41] and then shredding over top of it.

[00:54:43] I guess so.

[00:54:44] Kills me.

[00:54:44] I didn't even like,

[00:54:45] I think I had that first big,

[00:54:46] like the first like big rec CD.

[00:54:48] Oh yeah.

[00:54:49] And loving memory.

[00:54:50] But then I liked thornly cause it was a little more riffy.

[00:54:52] Yeah.

[00:54:52] Yeah.

[00:54:52] That's fair.

[00:54:53] It was less anyway.

[00:54:54] You'd like the new big rec stuff then.

[00:54:56] Oh,

[00:54:56] maybe I'll check it out.

[00:54:57] Yeah.

[00:54:57] All right.

[00:54:57] Ian thornly.

[00:54:58] Way to go.

[00:54:59] Um,

[00:55:00] if you had a time machine and you could go back to any mute,

[00:55:03] like legendary musical moment in time.

[00:55:06] Oh,

[00:55:07] what would it be?

[00:55:08] Shit,

[00:55:08] dude,

[00:55:08] that's a tough question.

[00:55:10] Um,

[00:55:10] I mean,

[00:55:11] I feel like the obvious one is Woodstock,

[00:55:13] but like,

[00:55:14] which one?

[00:55:16] The sixties one.

[00:55:17] All right.

[00:55:17] I,

[00:55:18] I'd like to live,

[00:55:19] man.

[00:55:19] I don't know.

[00:55:20] I don't think I'd survive.

[00:55:21] You'd be surprised.

[00:55:21] You should be surprised how much Woodstock 99 is the answer to that question.

[00:55:26] Here on.

[00:55:26] Yeah.

[00:55:27] Yeah.

[00:55:27] It's crazy.

[00:55:28] That's wild.

[00:55:28] Well,

[00:55:28] maybe fire fest then.

[00:55:29] No,

[00:55:30] uh,

[00:55:31] I,

[00:55:31] I,

[00:55:31] man,

[00:55:31] I don't know,

[00:55:32] dude,

[00:55:32] like it'd be cool to go back and see,

[00:55:34] maybe not a historical thing,

[00:55:35] but like cool to see like one of those,

[00:55:38] like,

[00:55:38] like tool or something when they were first coming up in the strip in LA,

[00:55:41] you know,

[00:55:42] when they like didn't know what,

[00:55:43] what the,

[00:55:43] what the hell they were doing.

[00:55:44] They were just like playing in weird time signatures and they were doing the undertow record.

[00:55:48] Like that would have been pretty sick.

[00:55:49] That band bends my brain.

[00:55:51] Oh,

[00:55:52] it's crazy.

[00:55:52] Yeah.

[00:55:53] Yeah.

[00:55:54] Unbelievable musicians.

[00:55:55] Yeah.

[00:55:55] All an open drop D stuff,

[00:55:57] you know,

[00:55:57] like dream theaters out here playing crazy,

[00:55:59] like syncopated keyboard and guitar riffs.

[00:56:01] And they're just like,

[00:56:02] gong,

[00:56:02] gong,

[00:56:02] gong,

[00:56:03] gong,

[00:56:03] gong,

[00:56:04] gong,

[00:56:04] gong,

[00:56:04] gong,

[00:56:04] gong,

[00:56:05] And I'm like,

[00:56:05] all right,

[00:56:05] let's go.

[00:56:06] There's that video.

[00:56:07] I don't know what it is,

[00:56:08] but it's Danny Carey and he's doing the,

[00:56:10] I don't know what song it is,

[00:56:12] but it's in like fucking five eights,

[00:56:14] something crazy.

[00:56:15] Oh yeah.

[00:56:16] It's just bananas.

[00:56:17] Like,

[00:56:17] it's just like,

[00:56:17] how do you even anyway,

[00:56:18] them and Meshuggah,

[00:56:19] man,

[00:56:19] they're like,

[00:56:20] it's insane.

[00:56:21] Yeah.

[00:56:21] Insane.

[00:56:24] One more music question.

[00:56:25] And then I want to get into my standup questions.

[00:56:28] If you,

[00:56:28] if you were stranded on a desert Island,

[00:56:30] what would be your desert Island record?

[00:56:31] You can only have one.

[00:56:32] Ooh,

[00:56:33] desert Island record.

[00:56:34] Oh man.

[00:56:34] I'm about to fucking,

[00:56:35] I'm about to just white it up in this,

[00:56:38] in this basement,

[00:56:39] dude.

[00:56:39] Probably Dave Matthews under the table and dreaming.

[00:56:42] He definitely whited it up.

[00:56:44] I appreciate that though.

[00:56:45] I appreciate that.

[00:56:46] Dave Matthews.

[00:56:48] The space between.

[00:56:50] Oh yeah,

[00:56:51] dude.

[00:56:52] That guy was my idol.

[00:56:53] Is he still doing stuff too?

[00:56:54] Oh yeah.

[00:56:55] I just got inducted to the rock and roll hall of fame.

[00:56:56] Fuck.

[00:56:57] I lose touch of shit because I live in a bubble.

[00:56:59] I got to change my other answer.

[00:57:00] I think Dave Matthews over big wreck.

[00:57:02] Now that I think about it.

[00:57:02] Oh yeah.

[00:57:03] Yeah.

[00:57:03] I think Dave Matthews over big wreck.

[00:57:04] There's no rules here.

[00:57:05] There's no rules.

[00:57:06] Okay.

[00:57:06] Let's move into these questions.

[00:57:08] When did people lose their sense of humor?

[00:57:11] Ooh,

[00:57:12] I don't think they did.

[00:57:13] I don't think they did.

[00:57:14] I got to be honest.

[00:57:15] Like when,

[00:57:15] every time I hear people bitching about like cancel culture and shit,

[00:57:17] I'm just like,

[00:57:18] what?

[00:57:18] You can't fucking grow up,

[00:57:19] dude.

[00:57:20] You know what I mean?

[00:57:20] People just got sick of it.

[00:57:21] It's like,

[00:57:22] if you have every decade has like an era of like humor,

[00:57:26] you know what I mean?

[00:57:26] Cause like stuff becomes hack,

[00:57:28] you know what I mean?

[00:57:28] Like it becomes hack faster because we have the internet.

[00:57:31] I don't want to hear a Will Smith slap Oscar joke ever again.

[00:57:34] You know what I mean?

[00:57:35] But it's like,

[00:57:36] if you really like my wife,

[00:57:39] then go watch your old eighties records.

[00:57:41] You know what I mean?

[00:57:42] If you really like fucking I'm on drugs,

[00:57:45] go watch your nineties comedy records.

[00:57:47] You know what I mean?

[00:57:47] I think people just like shit just gets hacked because it's been done too much.

[00:57:51] And at the end of the day,

[00:57:52] like if it's the first thought or if it's a joke,

[00:57:55] you've heard a million times,

[00:57:56] it's going to be offensive before it's funny because what's funny is the

[00:57:59] surprise.

[00:58:00] And if it's not surprising you because you're like,

[00:58:02] Oh,

[00:58:02] this old guy is going to bitch about how he doesn't love his wife anymore,

[00:58:05] how she wants him to do the chores.

[00:58:07] Then yeah,

[00:58:08] of course.

[00:58:08] And then those guys are going to use the,

[00:58:10] the excuse that this audience is just intolerant and they're offended all the

[00:58:13] time.

[00:58:13] It's like,

[00:58:13] no,

[00:58:14] you're just not funny anymore.

[00:58:15] Cause it's not 83,

[00:58:16] you know?

[00:58:17] I guess that's my,

[00:58:18] my question too.

[00:58:18] It's like,

[00:58:20] uh,

[00:58:20] or the,

[00:58:21] my next question is,

[00:58:22] um,

[00:58:23] people can say some outlandish shit in comedy,

[00:58:26] right?

[00:58:27] Can you just chalk it up to,

[00:58:29] Oh,

[00:58:29] it's just a joke.

[00:58:31] Or is there like a line for that?

[00:58:33] Is there a right and wrong in that?

[00:58:34] Yeah.

[00:58:34] I think it's just,

[00:58:35] if it's funny,

[00:58:36] if it's funny and if it's funny too,

[00:58:37] again,

[00:58:37] like it's subjective.

[00:58:38] You put a clip on the internet,

[00:58:40] something that makes me laugh is not something that's going to make

[00:58:41] everybody laugh.

[00:58:42] Uh,

[00:58:43] but it's,

[00:58:44] it's gotta be like a,

[00:58:45] it's gotta be at least a 70,

[00:58:47] 30 ratio of like,

[00:58:48] uh,

[00:58:48] you know,

[00:58:49] joke laugh over offensive.

[00:58:50] And you can hear it in the clip too.

[00:58:52] If you watch a standup clip and you hear people go,

[00:58:55] Ooh,

[00:58:56] and it's an uncomfortable laughter.

[00:58:57] It's like,

[00:58:58] you know,

[00:58:59] people are pretty easy to read.

[00:59:00] Like that joke was too far.

[00:59:01] And you just,

[00:59:02] you sound like you're starting to mob here.

[00:59:03] You know what I mean?

[00:59:04] Yeah,

[00:59:04] that's fair.

[00:59:05] Okay.

[00:59:06] Uh,

[00:59:06] is it true that all comedians are just really depressed and sad?

[00:59:09] No,

[00:59:10] dude.

[00:59:10] No.

[00:59:11] Like,

[00:59:11] yeah.

[00:59:11] Yeah.

[00:59:11] Some people are like,

[00:59:12] I mean,

[00:59:13] there's definitely something in you that makes you want to go on stage and get the shit kicked out of you for like five to 10 years before you get a good five minutes for the most part.

[00:59:22] Again,

[00:59:22] I'm saying this as a comic that's only been doing it for like three,

[00:59:25] four years.

[00:59:25] But,

[00:59:25] uh,

[00:59:26] um,

[00:59:27] I think that that's just a stereotype.

[00:59:30] Like there,

[00:59:31] there's definitely some sadder people than there are like,

[00:59:34] Hey,

[00:59:34] everything's great.

[00:59:35] You know what I mean?

[00:59:35] But it's like,

[00:59:36] I mean,

[00:59:37] one of my favorite comics in the city is a,

[00:59:39] uh,

[00:59:39] is like a teacher and he's like the happiest dude I've ever met in my life.

[00:59:42] That guy's like a fantastic.

[00:59:44] And it's like so jovial and always asking people about their special interests and stuff.

[00:59:48] Like,

[00:59:48] yeah,

[00:59:48] he's wonderful.

[00:59:48] Yeah,

[00:59:49] that's fair.

[00:59:49] That's fair.

[00:59:50] Uh,

[00:59:50] here's a question.

[00:59:51] Um,

[00:59:51] Oh,

[00:59:52] no wonder those questions right there.

[00:59:54] I'm on the wrong one.

[00:59:56] Uh,

[00:59:56] what makes you laugh?

[00:59:57] What's funny?

[00:59:58] Oh,

[00:59:58] weird shit,

[00:59:59] man.

[00:59:59] I love all humor.

[01:00:00] I love some like goofy motherfucker going on stage and being like,

[01:00:03] just like taking his shirt off and being like,

[01:00:05] I'm an octopus.

[01:00:06] Uh,

[01:00:06] that shit gets me every time.

[01:00:08] And maybe that's like the ADHD or it's the misdirection of just like,

[01:00:12] I'm tired of like the set up punchline shit.

[01:00:14] But,

[01:00:15] uh,

[01:00:15] yeah,

[01:00:15] man,

[01:00:16] when somebody's on stage,

[01:00:17] just like Chris Locke,

[01:00:17] I think is the funniest comedian in Canada right now.

[01:00:19] Yeah.

[01:00:20] That's,

[01:00:20] I think that's somebody just being themselves.

[01:00:22] Yeah.

[01:00:23] It'd have to be just acting out there who they,

[01:00:26] like when you feel stupid,

[01:00:27] you just,

[01:00:27] and you do it in front of people.

[01:00:29] Yeah.

[01:00:29] Cause everyone's been alone and done stupid things,

[01:00:32] you know,

[01:00:32] where you're like,

[01:00:33] anyway.

[01:00:33] Yeah.

[01:00:33] Yeah.

[01:00:34] And to do that,

[01:00:34] to have the courage to do that in front of people,

[01:00:37] to get a laugh out of it.

[01:00:38] Yeah.

[01:00:38] It's really putting yourself out there and I appreciate it.

[01:00:39] I respect that.

[01:00:40] Yeah.

[01:00:41] Um,

[01:00:41] I asked you about a music idol.

[01:00:43] Did I not?

[01:00:43] Yes.

[01:00:44] Yes.

[01:00:44] Do you have,

[01:00:47] man?

[01:00:48] Uh,

[01:00:48] I think Norm,

[01:00:49] I was about to say,

[01:00:49] and why is it Norm Macdonald?

[01:00:51] Yeah.

[01:00:51] Yeah.

[01:00:51] It's Norm Macdonald dude.

[01:00:52] Cause he's,

[01:00:54] he cracked the code of just like the punchline is the least funny part of his joke.

[01:00:58] It's like every other,

[01:00:59] like the whole thing is funny.

[01:01:01] You want like,

[01:01:02] he'll tell a 10 minute joke and you're like more,

[01:01:04] more.

[01:01:05] I don't even get that with music,

[01:01:06] dude.

[01:01:06] Like I said,

[01:01:06] I'm a tool fan,

[01:01:07] like seven minutes in.

[01:01:09] I'm like,

[01:01:09] we got to wrap this up boys.

[01:01:10] Like,

[01:01:11] I don't need to hear about Maynard's trauma anymore.

[01:01:13] You know,

[01:01:14] like,

[01:01:14] like Norm,

[01:01:15] Norm could talk.

[01:01:16] It's a shame that,

[01:01:18] I mean,

[01:01:18] other than his show,

[01:01:19] he doesn't have more podcast appearances.

[01:01:21] Cause that guy was just,

[01:01:23] everything that he said was gold.

[01:01:24] I have,

[01:01:25] and he was like that all the time.

[01:01:26] I have friends that used to work with him.

[01:01:27] Cause I got started right after he passed away.

[01:01:29] Um,

[01:01:30] I have friends that used to work with him and were just like,

[01:01:32] he was just like that all the time and he'd rub you the wrong way,

[01:01:35] but you just didn't care.

[01:01:36] Cause you're like,

[01:01:36] it's just Norm being Norm.

[01:01:37] Oh man.

[01:01:38] He was so good.

[01:01:39] And he was just kind of,

[01:01:40] uh,

[01:01:40] do you ever see dirty work?

[01:01:41] No,

[01:01:42] I've never seen dirty work.

[01:01:42] It's like ever been with a lady with a beard before.

[01:01:45] If you haven't,

[01:01:46] you haven't lived.

[01:01:47] Note to self.

[01:01:48] I don't want to live.

[01:01:50] Just beautiful little things.

[01:01:52] And he was like the David Letterman.

[01:01:53] He was,

[01:01:53] David Letterman was his idol.

[01:01:55] He was like,

[01:01:55] Hey,

[01:01:56] got any gum?

[01:01:56] Yeah.

[01:01:57] Yeah.

[01:01:57] Yeah.

[01:01:57] It's so funny.

[01:01:58] Yeah.

[01:01:58] He was the best man.

[01:01:59] Yeah.

[01:01:59] It's a shame.

[01:02:00] I shed a tear the day.

[01:02:01] Yeah.

[01:02:02] Me too.

[01:02:02] Anyway,

[01:02:03] a couple more questions.

[01:02:05] Um,

[01:02:06] this is the last comedy question.

[01:02:08] Um,

[01:02:09] in comedy,

[01:02:10] is it ever really too soon?

[01:02:13] I know the jokes gotta be funny,

[01:02:15] man.

[01:02:15] I've,

[01:02:15] I have a lot of comedians on Facebook and like,

[01:02:17] there's a lot of Liam Payne jokes and you will see if it's offensive.

[01:02:21] The comments are like,

[01:02:22] yo bro,

[01:02:23] how could you,

[01:02:23] he has like a family.

[01:02:24] And if it's funny,

[01:02:25] if it's funny,

[01:02:26] dude,

[01:02:26] it's like nothing but laugh reacts.

[01:02:28] Like people are like just kissing this guy's feet.

[01:02:31] It's just like,

[01:02:31] man,

[01:02:32] it's if the joke's funny,

[01:02:33] there's Eric Clapton jokes that are like offensive to me.

[01:02:36] Cause I'm like,

[01:02:36] ah,

[01:02:36] bro,

[01:02:36] that's not even cool.

[01:02:37] And then ones where I'm like,

[01:02:38] this is the funniest thing I've ever seen.

[01:02:40] As long as I'd see,

[01:02:41] that's the beauty of it.

[01:02:42] And you,

[01:02:42] you say it and it's,

[01:02:43] that's the truth of it.

[01:02:44] It's comedy.

[01:02:45] As long as it's funny.

[01:02:46] Yeah.

[01:02:46] As long as it's funny.

[01:02:47] It's an involuntary response.

[01:02:48] You can't help it.

[01:02:48] It doesn't matter if I look like your ex boyfriend.

[01:02:50] That was like the worst to you.

[01:02:52] If I say something that makes you laugh,

[01:02:53] you cannot help it.

[01:02:54] It is an involuntary human response.

[01:02:56] As long as it's funny.

[01:02:57] Yeah.

[01:02:57] My last question,

[01:02:58] which I ask everybody,

[01:03:00] who is Logan Brown?

[01:03:02] Oh,

[01:03:03] I Logan,

[01:03:04] I do lot thing.

[01:03:05] You heard,

[01:03:06] there you go.

[01:03:06] Thanks man.

[01:03:07] You heard it from the man.

[01:03:08] Thank you so much for being on the podcast.

[01:03:09] thank you for having me.

[01:03:10] I wish you nothing but the best.

[01:03:11] I'm super happy.

[01:03:12] I went down spark street.

[01:03:13] Yeah,

[01:03:14] me too,

[01:03:14] dude.

[01:03:15] It was weird how the world works.

[01:03:16] That was a weird day.

[01:03:17] Like I had an unhoused dude to read my fortune that day.

[01:03:19] So I'm glad that you sent me a message.

[01:03:22] I was just in the spirit brother.

[01:03:23] And it sucks that you're leaving Ottawa,

[01:03:25] but Kingston's your,

[01:03:26] your home base.

[01:03:27] So good luck in the future.

[01:03:28] Thanks bro.

[01:03:29] And I will follow your career the best I can.

[01:03:31] Right on dude.

[01:03:31] And all the best.

[01:03:32] Thanks man.

[01:03:33] All right.

[01:03:34] All right.

[01:03:34] Well,

[01:03:34] I got,

[01:03:35] I got one more song that I'll get the fuck out of here.

[01:03:36] Thank you guys so much for hanging around.

[01:03:38] This has been,

[01:03:39] how many people here know someone or are someone that treats their pet like family,

[01:03:52] but it's kind of,

[01:03:53] but you,

[01:03:54] but they're kind of fucking weird about it.

[01:03:56] Like they let their dog kiss their mouth and shit.

[01:03:58] Like right on.

[01:03:59] Cool.

[01:04:00] Well,

[01:04:00] I wrote this song about you people.

[01:04:05] This song is called just kidding.

[01:04:07] All right.

[01:04:20] It's just fun to play.

[01:04:21] Sorry.

[01:04:22] I got a rescue just the other day,

[01:04:30] a little puppy so that I can play.

[01:04:34] I'm full of loving from my head to my toes,

[01:04:38] the way she teases me when she thinks no one knows,

[01:04:42] the way she's coy with the shit.

[01:05:01] Just kidding.

[01:05:04] Don't want to fuck my dog.

[01:06:26] Don't want to fuck my dog.

[01:06:28] Just kidding.

[01:06:28] I'm disgusting guys.

[01:06:30] You know,

[01:06:30] if you'd asked me when I first started playing guitar,

[01:06:32] the type of stuff that I'd be writing like 14 years later,

[01:06:35] I don't think it would have been this.

[01:06:37] Okay.

[01:06:38] Had to rehome her.

[01:06:41] And that makes me sad because I know that my thoughts are kind of bad.

[01:06:48] Just can't do dogs.

[01:06:51] And that is that maybe I'll try my luck rescuing a cat.

[01:07:30] That's it for Eagle and Vice episode 145.

[01:07:33] I'd like to thank Logan Brown one more time for coming on the show.

[01:07:37] Super funny guy.

[01:07:38] Comedy is amazing.

[01:07:40] Check out local comedians.

[01:07:42] Don't just check out local music.

[01:07:43] Check out local comedians too because they're working just as hard.

[01:07:47] And everyone needs a laugh,

[01:07:49] especially in today's every day.

[01:07:51] Right?

[01:07:52] Um,

[01:07:54] yeah.

[01:07:55] If you want to get ahold of me,

[01:07:56] you can always reach me at ego and vice at gmail.com.

[01:07:59] If you want to listen to the podcast,

[01:08:00] just go to ego and vice podcast.com.

[01:08:03] It is the hub,

[01:08:04] the link,

[01:08:05] the fortress of solitude to all that is Eagle and Vice everywhere.

[01:08:08] You can find it anywhere.

[01:08:09] You can listen to it.

[01:08:10] It's all starts right there,

[01:08:12] but that's it for this week.

[01:08:14] And,

[01:08:15] uh,

[01:08:15] I've been a little bit lazy this month.

[01:08:18] Haven't really released many episodes,

[01:08:19] but we're going to go strong towards the end of the year.

[01:08:21] And then I have some big plans for season nine next year,

[01:08:26] but I'm not going to tell you about them now.

[01:08:28] Maybe next week.

[01:08:29] You've got a real attitude problem.

[01:08:31] McFly,

[01:08:31] you're a slacker.

[01:08:33] Yeah.

[01:08:33] Yeah.