Episode 140: Matty Grace

[00:00:06] Whoa, hold up, hold up. Aren't you that Ego and Vice guy?

[00:00:13] Yeah, hey, it's Ego and Vice, but anyway.

[00:00:18] Oh dude, I thought you quit. Like why did you quit? I thought you quit the podcast.

[00:00:23] Well no, I didn't quit. I just took a break, you know, everyone needs a little time away to charge the batteries.

[00:00:30] Oh yeah, totally, totally bro. Gotta recharge those batteries.

[00:00:34] Hey, I got a podcast.

[00:00:36] Oh yeah, that's cool. What is it? What's it about?

[00:00:39] It's about pickleball.

[00:00:42] Oh nice, cool. So you must play pickleball?

[00:00:47] Uh, no.

[00:00:49] Okay. Have you ever played pickleball?

[00:00:52] Uh, no.

[00:00:55] Well then why is your podcast about pickleball?

[00:00:58] Oh dude, it is super trendy right now and it's like all the rage and I just really wanted to jump on the bandwagon and find something kind of cool so people thought I was cool, you know?

[00:01:10] I don't have a lot of friends.

[00:01:12] Anyway, I can sell a ton of coffee cups, t-shirts, it's all about branding. Gotta get famous, bro.

[00:01:20] And who cares what it's about? As long as it looks good and you got lots of merch and people think that you are what you think they say you think you are kind of thing.

[00:01:30] And I'm gonna make it on the radio, at least XFM. Is that still a thing?

[00:01:35] I don't know. So what do you talk about on your podcast then?

[00:01:40] Bro, pickleball.

[00:01:42] But you've never played pickleball.

[00:01:44] So what? I have people on that play pickleball and they talk about pickleball.

[00:01:50] Okay, but what do you talk to them about?

[00:01:55] I don't know.

[00:01:57] Wow.

[00:01:59] Anyway, you know what? I gotta go.

[00:02:01] So I wish you all the best.

[00:02:04] Um, thank you so much for your support.

[00:02:07] Oh, I totally don't listen to podcasts, bro.

[00:02:11] Right.

[00:02:12] Well, maybe I'll see you around.

[00:02:15] Yeah, bro. Hey, you should totally do your podcast again.

[00:02:18] I don't know why you quit.

[00:02:20] I didn't quit.

[00:02:21] I took a break.

[00:02:27] Vacations fly by.

[00:02:28] Oh, so fast.

[00:02:30] But I'm back.

[00:02:31] This is Ego and Vice.

[00:02:33] Welcome to the season seven mid-year premiere.

[00:02:36] Let's do it.

[00:02:37] You've got a real attitude problem, McFly.

[00:02:39] You're a slacker.

[00:03:44] Hey, this is Mike.

[00:03:45] How is it going?

[00:03:47] This is Ego and Vice.

[00:03:49] Wow.

[00:03:50] I took a vacation at the start of June, I think.

[00:03:56] Was it June or was it July?

[00:03:58] I don't even remember.

[00:03:59] But I was only supposed to take like a few weeks off.

[00:04:02] I ended up taking like two months off.

[00:04:03] I had an amazing summer.

[00:04:05] I can't believe it's almost over.

[00:04:07] It's almost September.

[00:04:09] But that is two and a half months away from snowboard season.

[00:04:13] I will be on the hill third week of November.

[00:04:17] Tromba.

[00:04:17] It's already planned out.

[00:04:18] Can't wait.

[00:04:20] Uh, summer was amazing.

[00:04:21] I played some shows, some acoustic shows with my new project Mikey No One.

[00:04:26] Just trying out some new songs.

[00:04:28] I, uh, released the goat record.

[00:04:30] I think I did that in the time off.

[00:04:33] And I booked Ego and Vice up till the end of the year.

[00:04:37] Other than that, I stepped away because you can't do this all the time.

[00:04:41] Your brain starts to get kind of, uh, kind of mushy if you stare at the screens too long.

[00:04:47] You know, um, I needed to get outside.

[00:04:50] In the winter, I snowboard.

[00:04:52] In the summer, I just jump on my bike and I just ride and I get lost on my bike.

[00:04:57] And for two months, I guess I got really lost because I meant to come back.

[00:05:03] And I just wasn't ready yet.

[00:05:06] And you know what?

[00:05:08] Too much of a good thing.

[00:05:09] There was an argument that I had with somebody about, uh,

[00:05:11] uh, apparently there's such a thing as too much content.

[00:05:15] Like if you're, if you're just like hammering, hammering, hammering,

[00:05:19] like content all the time, people will switch over.

[00:05:22] They'll just get complacent with it.

[00:05:24] Right?

[00:05:25] So I believe in just quality over quantity.

[00:05:30] You know, it's good to be on a schedule and stuff, I guess.

[00:05:33] But you know what?

[00:05:33] I'd rather put everything into one episode

[00:05:37] than just trying to mail in a whole bunch of episodes

[00:05:40] to meet some kind of deadline that just feels really shitty.

[00:05:43] Like I'd start hating what I do.

[00:05:45] Or I could imagine looking back and re-listening to episodes

[00:05:50] and just having them kind of carbon copies of carbon copies

[00:05:52] of just like a, what they are.

[00:05:54] Because you'd probably get into like this,

[00:05:55] like robotic kind of like,

[00:05:58] dark, dark, dark.

[00:05:58] So where you been?

[00:05:59] You know what I mean?

[00:06:00] This formula, which is super lame.

[00:06:03] You know, just let it flow free.

[00:06:05] Enjoy yourself.

[00:06:06] Enjoy it.

[00:06:07] I want to enjoy it.

[00:06:08] If I do it to a point where I don't enjoy it anymore,

[00:06:12] that makes me sad.

[00:06:14] It totally does.

[00:06:14] Because I love doing ego and vice.

[00:06:17] I love talking to the local musicians,

[00:06:21] the bands, the artists,

[00:06:23] the people that make up Ottawa.

[00:06:25] The arts, if you will, of the Ottawa community.

[00:06:29] And I plan to do it for a long time.

[00:06:31] Eight years.

[00:06:33] In January, it's going to be eight years.

[00:06:34] So two more and I'm a decade.

[00:06:37] And I'm super proud of that.

[00:06:39] Super, super proud of ego and vice.

[00:06:42] The longevity.

[00:06:44] And what I have been able to give back

[00:06:47] to the music scene or the music community

[00:06:50] that supported me and gave me so much for so long.

[00:06:55] So here's to you, Ottawa.

[00:06:58] Let's get right into it.

[00:07:00] That's all I got to say.

[00:07:03] Oh, the riptides.

[00:07:05] Yeah, big, big stuff coming.

[00:07:08] I'll leave that as it is.

[00:07:10] On the show today,

[00:07:11] I'm super excited for the season seven mid-year premiere.

[00:07:15] The guest I have is an amazing songwriter,

[00:07:18] amazing person,

[00:07:19] overwrite, like a prolific songwriter,

[00:07:21] writes so many amazing songs,

[00:07:23] is part of so many amazing bands.

[00:07:26] She spreads herself very thin

[00:07:28] to get the music out

[00:07:32] and give it to you.

[00:07:35] Just a pillar, really.

[00:07:37] A tower of power

[00:07:39] in this city

[00:07:41] and across Canada.

[00:07:43] Across North America.

[00:07:45] Europe, even.

[00:07:46] She's been everywhere, man.

[00:07:48] And we had a ton of fun.

[00:07:52] And I'm speaking of the myth,

[00:07:54] the legend,

[00:07:54] Maddie Grace.

[00:07:56] She sat down in Southwood Studio

[00:07:58] and we had an amazing conversation.

[00:08:00] Probably one of my favorite,

[00:08:01] not to take away from any other podcasts

[00:08:02] I've ever done,

[00:08:04] but sitting here talking to Maddie Grace

[00:08:06] was one of the best conversations

[00:08:08] I've had in this basement

[00:08:09] for this podcast.

[00:08:11] And she's like a big pro wrestling fan.

[00:08:13] So we shot the shit about pro wrestling.

[00:08:15] Off mic.

[00:08:17] But you never know.

[00:08:18] Down the road,

[00:08:21] podcasts are made to be started.

[00:08:24] Maybe a pro wrestling podcast?

[00:08:25] Who knows?

[00:08:26] Who knows?

[00:08:26] I go as the wind blows.

[00:08:28] I might go on vacation again tomorrow.

[00:08:30] But until I do,

[00:08:32] let's do episode 140.

[00:08:34] I'm going to play a song

[00:08:35] and then we're going to come back

[00:08:37] with the one,

[00:08:37] the only,

[00:08:39] Maddie Grace.

[00:08:40] Welcome back.

[00:08:41] Ego and Vice.

[00:10:42] This is Ego and Vice.

[00:10:44] This is episode 140.

[00:10:46] As in the intro,

[00:10:47] as I promised,

[00:10:48] sitting in Southwood Studio,

[00:10:50] a local musician,

[00:10:51] a great person,

[00:10:52] very talented,

[00:10:53] very busy,

[00:10:55] Maddie Grace.

[00:10:56] Welcome.

[00:10:56] Thank you for having me.

[00:10:57] Thank you for being here.

[00:10:59] Yeah,

[00:10:59] this is a wrap.

[00:11:00] Yeah,

[00:11:00] yeah.

[00:11:01] Super happy you're here.

[00:11:03] I've known about you in town

[00:11:05] because I've had people on the podcast

[00:11:07] like Rich Chris

[00:11:08] and I've seen

[00:11:11] the podcast you did

[00:11:12] with Kevin from Stobie

[00:11:14] and you're in

[00:11:15] a ton of bands.

[00:11:16] Yeah.

[00:11:17] And you release a ton of music.

[00:11:19] Yeah.

[00:11:19] So,

[00:11:20] what is a day in the life

[00:11:22] of the musician

[00:11:24] Maddie Grace like?

[00:11:26] Uh,

[00:11:27] the musician Maddie Grace

[00:11:29] and the person Maddie Grace

[00:11:31] are pretty intertwined

[00:11:32] at this point.

[00:11:33] Um,

[00:11:35] obviously when you,

[00:11:36] you know,

[00:11:37] when you perform

[00:11:38] and do stuff

[00:11:38] like there's a level of like

[00:11:41] you put on the,

[00:11:43] you put on the face

[00:11:43] to do the thing

[00:11:44] but like

[00:11:45] it's kind of the same

[00:11:47] like I have practices

[00:11:49] a couple times a week.

[00:11:51] Uh,

[00:11:51] depends on,

[00:11:52] you know,

[00:11:52] you're always trying to juggle

[00:11:53] other people's schedules

[00:11:54] and coordinate things

[00:11:56] and then like,

[00:11:57] um,

[00:11:58] I played a show

[00:11:59] last weekend

[00:12:00] during Pride.

[00:12:01] It was the first show

[00:12:03] uh,

[00:12:04] with a full band

[00:12:05] for my solo material

[00:12:06] and we pulled that together

[00:12:07] in like three weeks

[00:12:08] or five practices

[00:12:09] or something.

[00:12:10] Just like a full

[00:12:10] like 11 song set.

[00:12:12] It was something

[00:12:13] I had planned to do

[00:12:14] for a while.

[00:12:15] Um,

[00:12:16] as anybody

[00:12:18] who's heard anything I do,

[00:12:19] I'm a person who like

[00:12:20] lives with some

[00:12:21] mental illness stuff

[00:12:22] and so,

[00:12:24] um,

[00:12:26] I also have,

[00:12:26] uh,

[00:12:27] so,

[00:12:28] uh,

[00:12:28] the whole

[00:12:29] getting to

[00:12:30] the thing

[00:12:31] is sometimes hard

[00:12:33] when you're in the pit

[00:12:33] of despair.

[00:12:34] So like,

[00:12:35] I could have probably

[00:12:36] not rushed that

[00:12:37] for three weeks

[00:12:38] and been on top

[00:12:38] of my shit

[00:12:39] a little more

[00:12:39] but,

[00:12:40] um,

[00:12:41] yeah,

[00:12:41] it's,

[00:12:42] there's a lot

[00:12:42] of that.

[00:12:43] Um,

[00:12:43] generally if I'm

[00:12:44] kind of in a

[00:12:45] writing mode

[00:12:46] like I have to

[00:12:48] create or get

[00:12:48] something ready

[00:12:49] or I have an idea

[00:12:50] or whatever,

[00:12:51] there's a lot

[00:12:51] of like planning,

[00:12:53] figuring stuff out,

[00:12:54] writing,

[00:12:55] doing all that.

[00:12:55] I do a lot of,

[00:12:57] a lot of my releases

[00:12:58] are home recorded

[00:12:59] at least as far as

[00:13:01] like instrumentation

[00:13:02] goes.

[00:13:02] Um,

[00:13:03] you know,

[00:13:03] I've,

[00:13:04] I've been doing DIY

[00:13:05] home recording

[00:13:05] for a really long time

[00:13:06] and then figured out

[00:13:08] how to do it

[00:13:09] with my solo stuff

[00:13:10] and right now

[00:13:11] I'm currently

[00:13:11] in this weird spot

[00:13:12] where I'm,

[00:13:13] I've been working

[00:13:14] on a solo record

[00:13:15] with Jordi

[00:13:15] from The Creeps

[00:13:16] and Crusades

[00:13:16] for,

[00:13:17] for a while

[00:13:18] and we finished it

[00:13:18] and I just have to like,

[00:13:20] you know,

[00:13:21] uh,

[00:13:22] check all the boxes

[00:13:23] and send it off

[00:13:24] to labels

[00:13:24] and,

[00:13:25] or I think we have

[00:13:26] a label and stuff

[00:13:26] and in the meantime

[00:13:28] while I'm doing that

[00:13:29] I wrote a whole other

[00:13:30] record when I was

[00:13:31] on Well earlier

[00:13:32] this year

[00:13:32] and then

[00:13:35] like Crisis Party

[00:13:36] which is one of my

[00:13:37] main projects

[00:13:38] uh,

[00:13:39] we're

[00:13:41] uh,

[00:13:41] getting ready

[00:13:42] to record a full length

[00:13:43] in November

[00:13:43] and I play in a

[00:13:45] a DB hardcore band

[00:13:47] as well

[00:13:47] called Zeal

[00:13:48] and we,

[00:13:48] we practice

[00:13:49] like religiously

[00:13:50] cause like

[00:13:51] that stuff's hard

[00:13:52] and you gotta like

[00:13:52] stay on top of it

[00:13:54] and we put out

[00:13:55] a record earlier

[00:13:56] this year

[00:13:57] that is getting

[00:13:57] a vinyl release

[00:13:58] while working

[00:13:59] on new material

[00:13:59] so there's just

[00:14:00] a lot of like

[00:14:02] there's a lot

[00:14:03] of,

[00:14:04] um,

[00:14:05] trying to connect

[00:14:06] points A and B

[00:14:07] um,

[00:14:09] it really,

[00:14:09] yeah,

[00:14:09] it really depends

[00:14:10] on where I'm at

[00:14:11] like I haven't,

[00:14:11] I haven't been

[00:14:13] in writing mode

[00:14:13] for,

[00:14:14] for a minute

[00:14:15] just because

[00:14:15] there's so much

[00:14:16] stuff going on

[00:14:17] and like,

[00:14:18] uh,

[00:14:19] I haven't bottomed

[00:14:20] out enough

[00:14:21] to write about

[00:14:21] my feelings

[00:14:22] I guess

[00:14:22] yeah,

[00:14:23] that's fair

[00:14:23] um,

[00:14:25] that's a lot

[00:14:25] of hours in a day

[00:14:26] is what that is

[00:14:27] it is,

[00:14:28] it is,

[00:14:28] uh,

[00:14:29] yeah,

[00:14:30] it's,

[00:14:30] it's a lot

[00:14:30] growing up

[00:14:32] in Nova Scotia

[00:14:33] or New Brunswick

[00:14:34] yeah,

[00:14:35] yeah,

[00:14:35] but I mean like

[00:14:36] I lived in Halifax

[00:14:37] for 17 years

[00:14:37] that's home

[00:14:38] Halifax was always

[00:14:39] like my favorite

[00:14:40] city

[00:14:40] really?

[00:14:41] I've been to Halifax

[00:14:42] three times in my life

[00:14:43] yeah

[00:14:43] the very first time

[00:14:45] I went there

[00:14:45] I was actually

[00:14:46] in a band

[00:14:47] you know the

[00:14:47] Hope Volleyball

[00:14:48] um,

[00:14:49] tournament here

[00:14:50] my housemate

[00:14:51] who lives upstairs

[00:14:52] she's like the VP

[00:14:52] of the,

[00:14:53] the,

[00:14:53] the,

[00:14:53] oh cool

[00:14:54] of the,

[00:14:54] the entertainment part

[00:14:55] and they actually

[00:14:56] tried it in Halifax

[00:14:57] one year

[00:14:58] so my band

[00:14:59] went down

[00:14:59] with them

[00:15:00] we like

[00:15:00] we drove the truck

[00:15:02] with all the

[00:15:02] the volleyball

[00:15:03] in the back

[00:15:04] and stuff

[00:15:04] if you,

[00:15:04] she's like

[00:15:05] if you,

[00:15:05] if you drive

[00:15:06] the volleyballs

[00:15:07] in the nets

[00:15:07] and stuff like that

[00:15:08] you'll be able

[00:15:08] to play

[00:15:09] so it was my

[00:15:09] first time

[00:15:09] in Halifax

[00:15:10] and it was like

[00:15:11] kind of a

[00:15:11] festival-y type

[00:15:12] of thing

[00:15:12] yeah

[00:15:12] it was like

[00:15:13] 2003 or something

[00:15:14] okay

[00:15:14] and it was the

[00:15:15] greatest experience

[00:15:16] like I had

[00:15:17] so much fun

[00:15:17] maybe it was the

[00:15:18] it was because

[00:15:19] I was there

[00:15:19] on like a band

[00:15:20] thing

[00:15:21] I don't know

[00:15:22] but I,

[00:15:22] I loved the city

[00:15:23] I,

[00:15:23] I thought it was

[00:15:24] amazing

[00:15:24] because we stood

[00:15:25] on the side

[00:15:25] of the road

[00:15:26] and people would

[00:15:27] just stop

[00:15:27] and we'd

[00:15:28] allow us to cross

[00:15:29] and I wasn't

[00:15:30] used to that

[00:15:31] so

[00:15:32] Halifax

[00:15:32] when I first

[00:15:34] moved there

[00:15:35] I,

[00:15:36] so I grew up

[00:15:37] in like rural

[00:15:38] New Brunswick

[00:15:39] very redneck

[00:15:41] a lot of

[00:15:42] like I don't go back

[00:15:44] there's a lot of

[00:15:44] reasons

[00:15:45] I don't go back

[00:15:46] but when I moved

[00:15:47] to Halifax

[00:15:47] the thing I remarked

[00:15:48] was like

[00:15:49] I was like

[00:15:49] oh

[00:15:50] a lot of

[00:15:51] folks are

[00:15:52] relatively chill

[00:15:53] it was

[00:15:54] far enough

[00:15:55] away

[00:15:56] that it was

[00:15:56] still a big

[00:15:57] city

[00:15:57] but it wasn't

[00:15:58] like,

[00:15:59] like I went

[00:15:59] for school

[00:16:00] just kind of

[00:16:00] as my exit

[00:16:01] strategy

[00:16:02] of growing

[00:16:03] up where

[00:16:03] I grew

[00:16:04] up

[00:16:04] and

[00:16:05] going

[00:16:06] somewhere

[00:16:06] like a

[00:16:07] Montreal

[00:16:08] or Toronto

[00:16:09] or whatever

[00:16:09] seemed very

[00:16:13] did not

[00:16:14] seem super

[00:16:14] feasible

[00:16:15] so Halifax

[00:16:16] was kind of

[00:16:16] like an easy

[00:16:17] pick

[00:16:17] and I loved

[00:16:18] it for years

[00:16:19] and was like

[00:16:19] deeply involved

[00:16:21] in the music

[00:16:21] community

[00:16:22] I was in a

[00:16:23] band for a

[00:16:23] long time

[00:16:24] called Fat

[00:16:24] Stupids

[00:16:25] we started

[00:16:27] to be the

[00:16:27] house band

[00:16:28] for this

[00:16:29] like long

[00:16:29] running

[00:16:29] full band

[00:16:30] open mic

[00:16:31] night

[00:16:31] called

[00:16:31] Rockin'

[00:16:32] for Dollars

[00:16:32] Rockin'

[00:16:33] for Dollars

[00:16:33] is

[00:16:35] in my

[00:16:36] opinion

[00:16:37] and I'm

[00:16:37] not the

[00:16:38] only one

[00:16:38] to hold

[00:16:38] this

[00:16:39] opinion

[00:16:40] single-handedly

[00:16:41] kept

[00:16:42] large

[00:16:43] aspects

[00:16:44] of the

[00:16:44] Halifax

[00:16:45] music scene

[00:16:45] alive

[00:16:46] during

[00:16:47] times

[00:16:47] when

[00:16:48] there

[00:16:48] were

[00:16:49] really

[00:16:49] no

[00:16:49] venues

[00:16:49] to play

[00:16:50] or

[00:16:51] unless

[00:16:51] you

[00:16:51] were

[00:16:51] playing

[00:16:52] the

[00:16:52] pavilion

[00:16:52] and you

[00:16:53] were

[00:16:53] a

[00:16:53] hardcore

[00:16:53] band

[00:16:54] or

[00:16:54] sounded

[00:16:54] like

[00:16:54] risky

[00:16:55] business

[00:16:55] or

[00:16:55] something

[00:16:56] you

[00:16:57] didn't

[00:16:57] really

[00:16:58] get

[00:16:59] no one

[00:16:59] really

[00:16:59] cared

[00:17:00] and

[00:17:00] you know

[00:17:01] just like

[00:17:01] everyone

[00:17:02] or a lot

[00:17:03] of people

[00:17:05] it takes

[00:17:06] a while

[00:17:06] to get

[00:17:06] to a

[00:17:07] point

[00:17:07] where

[00:17:09] you're

[00:17:10] actually

[00:17:10] a good

[00:17:11] band

[00:17:11] you know

[00:17:12] you can

[00:17:12] have all

[00:17:13] the heart

[00:17:13] in the

[00:17:13] world

[00:17:14] but

[00:17:14] there's

[00:17:15] like a

[00:17:16] point

[00:17:16] where

[00:17:16] it

[00:17:17] coheses

[00:17:17] I guess

[00:17:17] is the

[00:17:18] way

[00:17:18] I'm

[00:17:18] trying

[00:17:18] to say

[00:17:18] it

[00:17:19] good

[00:17:19] band

[00:17:19] is

[00:17:19] subjective

[00:17:20] but

[00:17:20] like

[00:17:21] you know

[00:17:22] it

[00:17:22] coheses

[00:17:22] and like

[00:17:23] it took

[00:17:23] a minute

[00:17:23] for fat

[00:17:24] stupid

[00:17:24] to do

[00:17:25] that

[00:17:25] a little

[00:17:26] Halifax

[00:17:27] history lesson

[00:17:27] there's a bar

[00:17:28] there called

[00:17:29] the seahorse

[00:17:30] tavern

[00:17:31] and

[00:17:32] right now

[00:17:33] the seahorse

[00:17:34] is located

[00:17:34] in a space

[00:17:35] that used

[00:17:36] to be occupied

[00:17:36] by a venue

[00:17:37] called hell's

[00:17:37] kitchen

[00:17:38] and so they

[00:17:39] would do

[00:17:39] Tuesday nights

[00:17:39] in hell

[00:17:40] and Tuesday nights

[00:17:41] in hell

[00:17:41] was the same

[00:17:42] principle

[00:17:43] as rocking

[00:17:43] for dollars

[00:17:44] where a band

[00:17:44] would go up

[00:17:45] and you

[00:17:45] would play

[00:17:45] for 15

[00:17:46] or 20

[00:17:46] minutes

[00:17:46] and you

[00:17:46] would work

[00:17:47] on new

[00:17:47] material

[00:17:47] you get

[00:17:48] stage

[00:17:48] practice

[00:17:48] like

[00:17:49] invaluable

[00:17:49] stuff

[00:17:51] and

[00:17:52] when

[00:17:52] hell's

[00:17:53] kitchen

[00:17:54] closed

[00:17:54] down

[00:17:55] reflections

[00:17:56] cabaret

[00:17:56] picked it

[00:17:57] up

[00:17:57] and

[00:17:57] kind

[00:17:57] of

[00:17:57] continued

[00:17:58] the

[00:17:58] lineage

[00:17:58] so

[00:17:58] like

[00:17:58] I

[00:17:59] got

[00:17:59] exposed

[00:17:59] to

[00:17:59] a lot

[00:18:00] of

[00:18:00] stuff

[00:18:00] as

[00:18:00] well

[00:18:01] like

[00:18:01] inner

[00:18:01] workings

[00:18:02] of

[00:18:02] things

[00:18:02] and

[00:18:03] also

[00:18:03] just

[00:18:04] like

[00:18:04] bands

[00:18:05] would tour

[00:18:05] through

[00:18:05] and be

[00:18:05] like

[00:18:06] we're

[00:18:06] here

[00:18:06] on a

[00:18:06] Monday

[00:18:06] night

[00:18:07] what

[00:18:07] can

[00:18:13] so

[00:18:14] righteous

[00:18:14] bucks

[00:18:14] I

[00:18:15] also

[00:18:16] grew up

[00:18:16] in

[00:18:16] Thunder

[00:18:16] Bay

[00:18:16] which

[00:18:17] was

[00:18:17] a

[00:18:17] very

[00:18:17] isolating

[00:18:18] place

[00:18:18] for

[00:18:18] me

[00:18:19] like

[00:18:19] I

[00:18:19] touched

[00:18:20] a bit

[00:18:20] off

[00:18:20] mic

[00:18:43] whether

[00:18:44] this

[00:18:44] is

[00:18:45] like

[00:18:46] not

[00:18:47] noticing

[00:18:47] what's

[00:18:48] actually

[00:18:48] going

[00:18:48] on

[00:18:49] on

[00:18:49] my

[00:18:49] parents

[00:18:49] behalf

[00:18:50] or

[00:18:50] whatever

[00:18:50] but

[00:18:50] I

[00:18:50] was

[00:18:50] always

[00:18:51] like

[00:18:51] singing

[00:18:53] while

[00:18:53] I

[00:18:54] did

[00:18:54] stuff

[00:18:54] I

[00:18:55] still

[00:18:55] do

[00:18:55] that

[00:18:55] it's

[00:18:56] just

[00:18:56] kind

[00:18:56] of

[00:18:56] like

[00:18:56] constant

[00:18:56] narration

[00:18:57] during

[00:18:57] the

[00:18:58] day

[00:18:58] and

[00:18:58] just

[00:18:58] making

[00:18:58] up

[00:18:58] songs

[00:18:59] or

[00:18:59] whatever

[00:18:59] and

[00:19:01] when

[00:19:01] I

[00:19:01] was

[00:19:03] quite

[00:19:03] young

[00:19:04] was

[00:19:05] you

[00:19:06] know

[00:19:06] a

[00:19:07] lot

[00:19:07] of

[00:19:07] the

[00:19:07] like

[00:19:08] tail

[00:19:09] end

[00:19:09] of

[00:19:09] the

[00:19:09] pop

[00:19:10] boom

[00:19:10] of

[00:19:10] the

[00:19:10] 80s

[00:19:10] because

[00:19:11] especially

[00:19:11] where

[00:19:14] we only

[00:19:15] had

[00:19:15] AM

[00:19:15] radio

[00:19:15] so

[00:19:16] it

[00:19:16] was

[00:19:16] like

[00:19:16] Beach

[00:19:17] Boys

[00:19:17] pop

[00:19:18] shit

[00:19:18] like

[00:19:18] that

[00:19:19] kind

[00:19:19] of

[00:19:19] stuff

[00:19:19] I

[00:19:19] still

[00:19:19] love

[00:19:20] the

[00:19:20] Beach

[00:19:20] boys

[00:19:20] absolutely

[00:19:22] and

[00:19:22] then

[00:19:22] on

[00:19:23] the

[00:19:23] flip

[00:19:23] side

[00:19:24] of

[00:19:24] it

[00:19:24] so

[00:19:24] like

[00:19:24] a lot

[00:19:24] of

[00:19:25] that

[00:19:25] was

[00:19:28] on

[00:19:29] my

[00:19:30] my

[00:19:30] mom's

[00:19:30] side

[00:19:30] she'd

[00:19:31] be

[00:19:31] like

[00:19:31] we're

[00:19:31] listening

[00:19:32] to

[00:19:32] the

[00:19:32] radio

[00:19:32] and

[00:19:32] it

[00:19:32] would

[00:19:33] be

[00:19:33] you

[00:19:33] know

[00:19:33] whatever

[00:19:41] and

[00:20:12] I

[00:20:13] exactly

[00:20:14] yeah

[00:20:14] so

[00:20:15] this

[00:20:16] kid

[00:20:16] in the

[00:20:17] neighborhood

[00:20:17] had a

[00:20:17] copy

[00:20:17] of

[00:20:18] Dookie

[00:20:18] and

[00:20:18] this

[00:20:18] would

[00:20:19] be

[00:20:19] 94

[00:20:19] 95

[00:20:20] so

[00:20:20] I

[00:20:20] would

[00:20:21] have

[00:20:21] been

[00:20:21] like

[00:20:21] you

[00:20:22] know

[00:20:22] eight

[00:20:23] or

[00:20:23] nine

[00:20:23] years

[00:20:23] old

[00:20:24] and

[00:20:24] it

[00:20:24] was

[00:20:24] just

[00:20:24] like

[00:20:25] I

[00:20:25] heard

[00:20:25] it

[00:20:25] and

[00:20:43] early

[00:20:44] access

[00:20:44] to

[00:20:44] CD

[00:20:45] burning

[00:20:45] and

[00:20:46] so

[00:20:46] he

[00:20:46] had

[00:20:46] made

[00:20:46] a

[00:20:46] mixtape

[00:20:47] and

[00:20:47] one

[00:20:47] of

[00:20:47] the

[00:20:47] songs

[00:20:47] on

[00:20:48] it

[00:20:48] was

[00:20:48] smells

[00:20:48] like

[00:20:48] teen

[00:20:48] spirit

[00:20:49] and

[00:20:49] the

[00:20:49] first

[00:20:50] time

[00:20:50] you

[00:20:50] hear

[00:20:50] that

[00:20:50] song

[00:20:50] when

[00:20:51] you

[00:20:51] haven't

[00:20:51] heard

[00:20:51] anything

[00:20:52] like

[00:20:52] that

[00:20:52] it's

[00:20:52] it's

[00:20:52] a

[00:20:53] mind

[00:20:53] like

[00:20:54] say

[00:20:54] what

[00:20:54] you

[00:20:54] will

[00:20:54] about

[00:20:55] Nirvana

[00:20:55] that's

[00:20:55] mind

[00:20:56] blowing

[00:20:56] to

[00:20:56] a

[00:20:56] kid

[00:20:56] from

[00:20:57] a

[00:20:57] rural

[00:20:57] town

[00:20:58] I

[00:20:58] it's

[00:20:59] funny

[00:20:59] you

[00:21:00] know

[00:21:00] it's

[00:21:00] people

[00:21:00] ask

[00:21:01] where

[00:21:03] were

[00:21:04] you

[00:21:04] when

[00:21:04] they

[00:21:04] landed

[00:21:04] on

[00:21:05] the

[00:21:05] moon

[00:21:05] or

[00:21:05] where

[00:21:05] were

[00:21:05] you

[00:21:06] when

[00:21:06] the

[00:21:06] challenger

[00:21:07] exploded

[00:21:07] or

[00:21:07] something

[00:21:08] like

[00:21:08] that

[00:21:08] but

[00:21:08] I

[00:21:30] the

[00:21:30] and

[00:21:32] I

[00:21:33] just

[00:21:33] agreed

[00:21:33] this

[00:21:34] is

[00:21:34] the

[00:21:34] greatest

[00:21:34] song

[00:21:34] in

[00:21:35] the

[00:21:35] world

[00:21:35] and

[00:21:36] everything

[00:21:36] kind

[00:21:36] of

[00:21:36] went

[00:21:36] from

[00:21:36] there

[00:21:36] Mike

[00:21:37] one

[00:21:37] of

[00:21:37] my

[00:21:37] questions

[00:21:37] that

[00:21:38] I

[00:21:38] was

[00:21:38] going

[00:21:38] to

[00:21:38] ask

[00:21:38] you

[00:21:38] do

[00:21:39] you

[00:21:39] remember

[00:21:40] the

[00:21:40] day

[00:21:40] you

[00:21:40] heard

[00:21:41] the

[00:21:41] music

[00:21:41] that

[00:21:42] would

[00:21:42] be

[00:21:42] the

[00:21:43] overall

[00:21:43] influence

[00:21:44] or

[00:21:44] like

[00:21:44] the

[00:21:44] first

[00:21:45] day

[00:21:45] you

[00:21:45] heard

[00:21:45] punk

[00:21:45] rock

[00:21:46] or

[00:21:46] something

[00:21:46] but

[00:21:58] I

[00:22:02] we

[00:22:03] were

[00:22:03] watching

[00:22:03] skateboard

[00:22:03] videos

[00:22:04] in

[00:22:04] grade

[00:22:04] seven

[00:22:05] and

[00:22:05] this

[00:22:06] single

[00:22:06] video

[00:22:06] had

[00:22:07] now

[00:22:08] I

[00:22:08] want

[00:22:08] to

[00:22:08] sniff

[00:22:08] some

[00:22:09] glue

[00:22:09] by

[00:22:09] the

[00:22:09] Ramones

[00:22:10] and

[00:22:10] I

[00:22:10] believe

[00:22:11] police

[00:22:12] truck

[00:22:12] by

[00:22:12] Doug

[00:22:12] Kennedys

[00:22:13] it

[00:22:13] was

[00:22:13] either

[00:22:13] police

[00:22:14] truck

[00:22:14] or

[00:22:14] it

[00:22:30] on

[00:22:30] the

[00:22:31] school

[00:22:31] bus

[00:22:31] hearing

[00:22:32] songs

[00:22:32] like

[00:22:32] Terminal

[00:22:33] Preppy

[00:22:34] and

[00:22:34] Well Paid

[00:22:34] Scientist

[00:22:35] and

[00:22:35] Nazi

[00:22:35] Punks

[00:22:36] Fuck

[00:22:36] Off

[00:22:36] and

[00:22:36] being

[00:22:36] like

[00:22:37] oh

[00:22:37] there's

[00:22:37] more

[00:22:38] to

[00:22:38] the

[00:22:39] world

[00:22:39] and

[00:22:39] it

[00:22:39] was

[00:22:39] kind

[00:22:40] of

[00:22:40] seeing

[00:22:41] color

[00:22:41] for the

[00:22:41] first

[00:22:42] time

[00:22:42] within

[00:22:42] music

[00:22:43] feeling

[00:22:44] like

[00:22:44] oh

[00:22:44] maybe

[00:23:00] Dead

[00:23:00] Milk

[00:23:00] Man

[00:23:01] of

[00:23:01] course

[00:23:01] yeah

[00:23:02] and

[00:23:02] it

[00:23:02] was

[00:23:02] like

[00:23:02] smoking

[00:23:03] banana

[00:23:03] peels

[00:23:03] oh

[00:23:04] yeah

[00:23:04] I'm

[00:23:04] like

[00:23:04] that's

[00:23:04] not

[00:23:05] a

[00:23:05] real

[00:23:05] song

[00:23:05] my

[00:23:05] friend

[00:23:05] told

[00:23:06] me

[00:23:06] that's

[00:23:06] not

[00:23:06] a

[00:23:06] real

[00:23:06] song

[00:23:07] you

[00:23:07] know

[00:23:21] and

[00:23:30] super

[00:23:31] fast

[00:23:31] and

[00:23:32] it

[00:23:32] was

[00:23:32] you

[00:23:33] know

[00:23:33] it

[00:23:33] just

[00:23:33] opened

[00:23:34] me

[00:23:34] up

[00:23:34] to

[00:23:34] like

[00:23:34] wow

[00:23:35] this

[00:23:35] is

[00:23:35] music

[00:23:35] and

[00:23:35] then

[00:23:35] he

[00:23:36] lent

[00:23:36] me

[00:23:37] No

[00:23:37] Control

[00:23:38] by

[00:23:38] Bad

[00:23:38] Religion

[00:23:38] it

[00:23:39] was

[00:23:39] like

[00:23:39] one

[00:23:40] of

[00:23:40] the

[00:23:40] first

[00:23:40] clear

[00:23:40] remember

[00:23:41] the

[00:23:41] clear

[00:23:41] tapes

[00:23:42] that

[00:23:42] you

[00:23:42] could

[00:23:42] only

[00:23:42] get

[00:23:42] in

[00:23:43] the

[00:23:43] states

[00:23:43] yeah

[00:23:43] they

[00:23:44] were

[00:23:44] like

[00:23:44] the

[00:23:44] fancy

[00:23:44] ones

[00:23:45] you

[00:23:45] knew

[00:23:45] you

[00:23:45] bought

[00:23:46] a

[00:23:46] real

[00:23:46] tape

[00:23:46] when

[00:23:47] it

[00:23:47] was

[00:23:47] clear

[00:23:47] yeah

[00:23:48] yeah

[00:23:48] and

[00:23:49] I'd

[00:23:49] never

[00:23:49] seen

[00:23:50] clear

[00:23:50] tape

[00:23:50] but

[00:23:50] it

[00:23:51] was

[00:23:51] amazing

[00:23:51] and

[00:23:51] I

[00:23:52] put

[00:23:52] it

[00:23:52] in

[00:23:52] Bad

[00:23:53] Religion

[00:23:53] No

[00:23:53] Control

[00:23:54] changed

[00:23:54] my

[00:23:54] life

[00:23:54] that's

[00:23:55] still

[00:23:56] my

[00:23:56] favorite

[00:23:56] Bad

[00:23:57] Religion

[00:23:57] record

[00:23:57] because

[00:23:58] it's

[00:23:58] always

[00:23:59] for me

[00:24:00] because

[00:24:00] people get

[00:24:01] into those

[00:24:02] arguments

[00:24:02] or whatever

[00:24:02] and it's

[00:24:03] like

[00:24:03] suffer

[00:24:04] no

[00:24:05] control

[00:24:05] against

[00:24:05] the

[00:24:05] grain

[00:24:05] obviously

[00:24:06] that's

[00:24:06] a

[00:24:06] trifecta

[00:24:07] trilogy

[00:24:07] and

[00:24:08] then

[00:24:08] that

[00:24:13] resurgence

[00:24:14] in the

[00:24:14] early 2000s

[00:24:15] with

[00:24:15] Empire Strikes

[00:24:16] First

[00:24:16] and

[00:24:18] they all

[00:24:19] have

[00:24:19] their

[00:24:20] charm

[00:24:20] but

[00:24:21] suffering

[00:24:22] and

[00:24:22] no

[00:24:22] control

[00:24:22] into

[00:24:23] against

[00:24:23] the

[00:24:23] grain

[00:24:23] over

[00:24:24] the

[00:24:24] course

[00:24:24] of

[00:24:24] two

[00:24:25] years

[00:24:25] come on

[00:24:26] it's

[00:24:27] amazing

[00:24:27] here's

[00:24:27] a great

[00:24:28] story

[00:24:28] about

[00:24:28] you know

[00:24:29] obviously

[00:24:29] you know

[00:24:30] Rich has

[00:24:30] been

[00:24:30] positive

[00:24:31] charge

[00:24:31] you know

[00:24:32] Gary

[00:24:32] the drummer

[00:24:32] Gary

[00:24:33] Doherty

[00:24:33] I grew up

[00:24:34] with

[00:24:34] Gary

[00:24:34] in

[00:24:34] Thunder

[00:24:35] Bay

[00:24:37] we grew

[00:24:38] up

[00:24:38] together

[00:24:38] and

[00:24:39] when I

[00:24:39] borrowed

[00:24:39] the tape

[00:24:40] off of

[00:24:40] Jay

[00:24:40] Mason

[00:24:41] it

[00:24:41] didn't

[00:24:41] have

[00:24:41] a

[00:24:41] case

[00:24:42] for

[00:24:42] it

[00:24:42] when

[00:24:42] I

[00:24:42] was

[00:25:18] I

[00:25:20] it's

[00:25:20] my

[00:25:20] simulation

[00:25:21] theory

[00:25:22] or

[00:25:22] I'm

[00:25:22] just

[00:25:23] I'm

[00:25:24] my own

[00:25:24] puppet

[00:25:24] master

[00:25:25] I'm

[00:25:25] just

[00:25:25] making

[00:25:25] this up

[00:25:26] as I

[00:25:26] go

[00:25:26] maybe

[00:25:27] I

[00:25:27] mean

[00:25:27] you know

[00:25:28] what

[00:25:28] if

[00:25:28] that

[00:25:29] feels

[00:25:30] better

[00:25:30] than a

[00:25:31] potential

[00:25:32] alternative

[00:25:32] run with

[00:25:33] it

[00:25:33] because

[00:25:33] it's

[00:25:34] way

[00:25:34] too

[00:25:34] hard

[00:25:34] to

[00:25:35] not

[00:25:35] yeah

[00:25:35] I

[00:25:35] think

[00:25:36] it's

[00:25:36] fun

[00:25:36] I

[00:25:36] think

[00:25:36] that's

[00:25:37] fun

[00:25:37] so

[00:25:37] did

[00:25:38] you

[00:25:38] always

[00:25:38] play

[00:25:39] guitar

[00:25:39] like

[00:25:39] is

[00:25:40] that

[00:25:40] your

[00:25:40] main

[00:25:40] instrument

[00:25:41] guitar

[00:25:41] yeah

[00:25:42] I

[00:25:42] mean

[00:25:42] I

[00:25:42] started

[00:25:42] playing

[00:25:43] guitar

[00:25:43] when I

[00:25:43] was

[00:25:44] 14

[00:25:45] or

[00:25:45] 15

[00:25:45] I

[00:25:46] had

[00:25:46] always

[00:25:46] wanted

[00:25:47] to

[00:25:47] but

[00:25:48] like

[00:25:48] I

[00:25:48] you know

[00:25:49] my folks

[00:25:49] didn't

[00:25:50] have

[00:26:35] your

[00:26:36] because

[00:26:37] I

[00:26:37] got

[00:26:37] a

[00:26:37] guitar

[00:26:38] and

[00:26:38] it

[00:26:38] was

[00:26:38] like

[00:26:38] and

[00:26:39] all

[00:26:39] I

[00:26:39] did

[00:26:39] for

[00:26:39] the

[00:26:39] first

[00:26:40] couple

[00:26:40] months

[00:26:40] was

[00:26:40] literally

[00:26:41] like

[00:26:41] you

[00:26:41] know

[00:26:41] you

[00:26:41] mute

[00:26:42] the

[00:26:42] strings

[00:26:42] and

[00:26:42] you

[00:26:43] rhythmically

[00:26:43] click

[00:26:44] out

[00:26:44] things

[00:26:44] or

[00:26:44] whatever

[00:26:45] and

[00:26:47] it

[00:26:47] just

[00:26:48] took

[00:26:49] a

[00:26:49] hold

[00:26:49] of

[00:26:49] me

[00:26:50] and

[00:26:50] I

[00:26:50] was

[00:26:51] like

[00:26:51] I

[00:26:51] want

[00:26:51] to

[00:26:51] do

[00:26:51] this

[00:26:52] and

[00:26:52] it

[00:26:52] was

[00:26:52] always

[00:26:52] like

[00:26:53] I

[00:26:53] wanted

[00:26:54] to

[00:26:54] be

[00:26:54] like

[00:26:55] when

[00:26:55] I

[00:26:56] had

[00:26:56] an

[00:26:56] acoustic

[00:26:57] guitar

[00:26:57] at

[00:26:57] first

[00:26:57] and

[00:26:57] a

[00:27:05] couple

[00:27:06] that

[00:27:06] was

[00:27:06] pretty

[00:27:07] good

[00:27:07] for

[00:27:07] what

[00:27:07] it

[00:27:07] was

[00:27:08] and

[00:27:09] immediately

[00:27:09] as soon

[00:27:10] as I

[00:27:10] found

[00:27:10] that

[00:27:10] little

[00:27:10] white

[00:27:11] button

[00:27:11] I

[00:27:11] was

[00:27:11] like

[00:27:11] that

[00:27:12] that's

[00:27:12] the

[00:27:13] thing

[00:27:13] I

[00:27:13] wanted

[00:27:14] to

[00:27:38] that

[00:27:39] was

[00:27:39] just

[00:27:39] beyond

[00:27:40] my

[00:27:41] scope

[00:27:41] to

[00:27:42] start

[00:27:42] out

[00:27:43] it

[00:27:43] would

[00:27:43] be

[00:27:43] a

[00:27:43] very

[00:27:44] intimidating

[00:27:45] it's

[00:27:46] pretty

[00:27:46] intimidating

[00:27:47] and

[00:27:47] I

[00:27:48] like

[00:27:48] metal

[00:27:48] and

[00:27:49] there's

[00:27:49] cool

[00:27:49] things

[00:27:50] I

[00:27:50] still

[00:27:50] can't

[00:27:50] play

[00:27:51] that

[00:27:51] shit

[00:27:51] no

[00:27:52] somebody's

[00:27:53] like

[00:27:53] do

[00:27:53] a

[00:27:53] chug

[00:27:54] and

[00:27:54] I

[00:27:54] can

[00:27:54] do

[00:27:54] the

[00:27:55] Dillinger

[00:27:55] 4

[00:27:55] thing

[00:27:56] where

[00:27:56] they

[00:27:56] give

[00:27:56] up

[00:27:56] a

[00:27:57] third

[00:27:57] of

[00:27:57] the

[00:27:57] way

[00:27:57] through

[00:27:58] I

[00:27:58] can

[00:27:58] do

[00:27:58] that

[00:27:59] it

[00:27:59] starts

[00:28:00] right

[00:28:00] then

[00:28:00] slower

[00:28:01] the

[00:28:04] first

[00:28:05] song

[00:28:05] I

[00:28:05] ever

[00:28:05] wrote

[00:28:06] honestly

[00:28:09] the

[00:28:10] first

[00:28:11] time

[00:28:11] I

[00:28:12] did

[00:28:12] it

[00:28:13] consciously

[00:28:16] would

[00:28:17] be

[00:28:17] for

[00:28:18] probably

[00:28:18] the

[00:28:19] first

[00:28:19] band

[00:28:19] I

[00:28:19] was

[00:28:19] ever

[00:28:20] in

[00:28:20] I

[00:28:20] was

[00:28:20] like

[00:28:20] okay

[00:28:21] I

[00:28:21] gotta

[00:28:21] show

[00:28:22] up

[00:28:22] with

[00:28:22] something

[00:28:24] so

[00:28:24] growing

[00:28:25] up

[00:28:26] small

[00:28:26] and

[00:28:26] rurally

[00:28:27] and

[00:28:27] being

[00:28:29] indoctrinated

[00:28:29] and having

[00:28:30] a lot

[00:28:30] of

[00:28:30] catholic

[00:28:31] damage

[00:28:31] I

[00:28:32] wrote

[00:28:32] a song

[00:28:33] called

[00:28:33] collection

[00:28:33] plate

[00:28:34] and

[00:28:34] that

[00:28:35] song

[00:28:35] was

[00:28:35] literally

[00:28:36] just

[00:28:37] why

[00:28:37] are

[00:28:38] these

[00:28:38] people

[00:28:38] who

[00:28:38] are

[00:28:39] committing

[00:28:39] these

[00:28:39] atrocities

[00:28:40] taking

[00:28:41] money

[00:28:41] from

[00:28:41] people

[00:28:42] and

[00:28:42] making

[00:28:42] them

[00:28:42] feel

[00:28:43] bad

[00:28:43] about

[00:28:43] it

[00:28:43] and

[00:28:43] it

[00:28:43] was

[00:28:43] just

[00:28:44] the

[00:28:45] energy

[00:28:45] of

[00:28:45] that

[00:28:46] and

[00:28:46] it

[00:28:46] kind

[00:29:00] I

[00:29:01] wasn't

[00:29:01] reinventing

[00:29:02] the

[00:29:02] wheel

[00:29:02] I

[00:29:02] was

[00:29:02] not

[00:29:02] a

[00:29:03] savant

[00:29:03] by

[00:29:03] any

[00:29:03] means

[00:29:03] it

[00:29:04] took

[00:29:04] me

[00:29:04] a

[00:29:04] long

[00:29:04] time

[00:29:04] to

[00:29:05] learn

[00:29:05] how

[00:29:05] to

[00:29:05] write

[00:29:07] well

[00:29:07] and

[00:29:08] the

[00:29:08] first

[00:29:08] time

[00:29:09] I

[00:29:09] ever

[00:29:10] I

[00:29:10] still

[00:29:11] say

[00:29:11] this

[00:29:11] is

[00:29:11] the

[00:29:11] first

[00:29:12] time

[00:29:12] I

[00:29:12] ever

[00:29:12] succeeded

[00:29:13] at

[00:29:13] writing

[00:29:14] a quote

[00:29:14] unquote

[00:29:15] song

[00:29:15] I

[00:29:30] input

[00:29:30] or

[00:29:31] an

[00:29:31] output

[00:29:31] so

[00:29:32] I

[00:29:33] learned

[00:29:33] how

[00:29:33] to

[00:29:33] use

[00:29:34] a

[00:29:34] drum

[00:29:34] machine

[00:29:34] and

[00:29:34] I

[00:29:35] wrote

[00:29:35] this

[00:29:35] song

[00:29:35] called

[00:29:35] summertime

[00:29:36] which

[00:29:36] I

[00:29:36] still

[00:29:37] play

[00:29:37] solo

[00:29:37] sometimes

[00:29:38] but

[00:29:38] it's

[00:29:39] the

[00:29:39] first

[00:29:40] song

[00:29:40] on

[00:29:40] the

[00:29:40] CD

[00:29:41] that

[00:29:41] on

[00:29:44] one

[00:29:44] of

[00:29:44] our

[00:29:44] tapes

[00:29:45] and I'm

[00:29:45] like

[00:29:46] there

[00:29:46] I

[00:29:46] figured

[00:29:47] it

[00:29:47] out

[00:29:47] and

[00:29:47] now

[00:29:47] I

[00:29:48] can

[00:29:48] go

[00:29:48] from

[00:29:48] there

[00:29:49] but

[00:29:50] I

[00:29:50] always

[00:29:50] had

[00:29:50] a

[00:29:50] hard

[00:29:51] time

[00:29:51] thinking

[00:29:51] of

[00:29:52] lyrics

[00:29:53] that

[00:29:53] would

[00:29:53] stick

[00:29:54] with

[00:29:54] me

[00:29:54] on

[00:29:55] the

[00:29:55] fly

[00:29:55] I

[00:30:00] I

[00:30:04] remember

[00:30:10] the

[00:30:10] very

[00:30:10] first

[00:30:10] song

[00:30:11] I

[00:30:11] wrote

[00:30:11] it

[00:30:11] was

[00:30:11] called

[00:30:11] hallway

[00:30:12] of

[00:30:12] life

[00:30:14] I

[00:30:15] have

[00:30:15] it

[00:30:15] somewhere

[00:30:16] on

[00:30:16] a

[00:30:16] cassette

[00:30:16] that

[00:30:17] I

[00:30:17] wrote

[00:30:18] I

[00:30:21] couldn't

[00:30:21] find

[00:30:22] the

[00:30:22] door

[00:30:23] I

[00:30:23] was

[00:30:24] super

[00:30:24] deep

[00:30:24] and

[00:30:25] profound

[00:30:25] that

[00:30:27] is

[00:30:27] the

[00:30:28] thing

[00:30:28] where

[00:30:28] people

[00:30:28] are

[00:30:28] like

[00:30:28] I

[00:30:28] can

[00:30:29] sink

[00:30:29] my

[00:30:29] teeth

[00:30:30] into

[00:30:30] that

[00:30:31] I

[00:30:31] didn't

[00:30:31] write

[00:30:32] songs

[00:30:32] for

[00:30:32] a

[00:30:32] long

[00:30:32] time

[00:30:33] I

[00:30:33] tried

[00:30:33] to

[00:30:33] do

[00:30:33] covers

[00:30:34] but

[00:30:34] I

[00:30:34] would

[00:30:34] just

[00:30:36] play

[00:30:36] really

[00:30:37] easy

[00:30:37] punk

[00:30:37] covers

[00:30:38] but

[00:30:38] I

[00:30:38] always

[00:30:39] felt

[00:30:39] like

[00:30:39] I

[00:30:39] just

[00:30:40] massacred

[00:30:41] them

[00:30:41] they

[00:30:41] never

[00:30:41] sounded

[00:30:41] right

[00:30:42] to

[00:30:42] me

[00:30:42] it's

[00:30:43] the

[00:30:43] same

[00:30:43] as

[00:30:43] I

[00:30:44] felt

[00:30:44] very

[00:30:45] similarly

[00:30:45] it's

[00:30:46] the same

[00:30:46] people

[00:30:47] being

[00:30:47] like

[00:30:47] oh

[00:30:47] do

[00:30:47] you

[00:30:48] do

[00:30:48] karaoke

[00:30:48] and

[00:30:49] it's

[00:30:49] like

[00:30:49] my

[00:30:50] voice

[00:30:50] doesn't

[00:30:51] sound

[00:30:52] right

[00:30:52] to

[00:30:52] me

[00:30:53] singing

[00:30:53] other

[00:30:53] people

[00:30:53] songs

[00:30:54] I

[00:30:54] can

[00:30:54] do

[00:30:54] stuff

[00:30:55] now

[00:30:55] but

[00:30:56] like

[00:30:58] it's

[00:30:58] just

[00:31:00] I'm

[00:31:01] not

[00:31:01] a

[00:31:01] singer

[00:31:02] by

[00:31:02] trait

[00:31:02] I

[00:31:03] used

[00:31:04] to

[00:31:04] joke

[00:31:04] that

[00:31:05] I'm

[00:31:05] just

[00:31:05] pushing

[00:31:06] air

[00:31:06] out

[00:31:06] of

[00:31:06] my

[00:31:06] face

[00:31:06] I'm

[00:31:07] just

[00:31:07] literally

[00:31:08] trying

[00:31:09] to

[00:31:09] make

[00:31:10] something

[00:31:10] happen

[00:31:11] for

[00:31:13] me

[00:31:13] it was

[00:31:14] just

[00:31:14] like

[00:31:14] I

[00:31:15] always

[00:31:24] better

[00:31:24] than

[00:31:24] me

[00:31:25] because

[00:31:25] my

[00:31:25] songs

[00:31:25] so

[00:31:26] that's

[00:31:26] good

[00:31:26] and

[00:31:27] that

[00:31:27] made

[00:31:27] me

[00:31:27] feel

[00:31:27] better

[00:31:27] about

[00:31:28] it

[00:31:28] so

[00:31:28] when

[00:31:29] stuff

[00:31:29] comes

[00:31:29] out

[00:31:29] it

[00:31:30] comes

[00:31:30] out

[00:31:30] and

[00:31:30] it's

[00:31:31] my

[00:31:31] stuff

[00:31:31] but

[00:31:31] I've

[00:31:32] gone

[00:31:32] through

[00:31:32] so

[00:31:32] many

[00:31:33] weird

[00:31:33] phases

[00:31:33] of

[00:31:34] songwriting

[00:31:34] and

[00:31:35] just

[00:31:35] learning

[00:31:35] and

[00:31:35] learning

[00:31:36] I

[00:31:36] feel

[00:31:36] like

[00:31:36] I'm

[00:31:36] still

[00:31:36] learning

[00:31:37] how

[00:31:37] to

[00:31:37] write

[00:31:37] stuff

[00:31:38] absolutely

[00:31:38] but

[00:31:39] I've

[00:31:39] come

[00:31:40] like

[00:31:40] kind

[00:31:40] of

[00:31:40] weird

[00:31:40] full

[00:31:41] circle

[00:31:41] like

[00:31:41] I

[00:31:41] just

[00:31:42] released

[00:31:42] an EP

[00:31:42] and

[00:31:43] it's

[00:31:43] literally

[00:31:45] I

[00:31:45] was

[00:31:45] having

[00:31:46] so

[00:31:46] much

[00:31:46] trouble

[00:31:46] building

[00:31:47] songs

[00:31:47] by

[00:31:48] myself

[00:31:49] that

[00:31:49] I

[00:31:49] just

[00:31:50] decided

[00:31:50] you

[00:31:50] know

[00:31:50] when

[00:31:50] you

[00:31:50] pick

[00:31:51] up

[00:31:51] your

[00:31:51] guitar

[00:31:52] I

[00:31:53] call

[00:31:53] them

[00:31:53] half

[00:31:53] songs

[00:31:53] and

[00:31:54] you

[00:31:54] play

[00:31:54] something

[00:31:54] and

[00:31:55] a lot

[00:31:55] of

[00:31:56] it's

[00:31:56] shit

[00:31:56] but

[00:31:56] sometimes

[00:31:57] you

[00:31:57] pick

[00:31:57] up

[00:31:57] something

[00:31:57] and

[00:31:57] there's

[00:31:58] that

[00:31:58] one

[00:31:58] little

[00:31:58] thing

[00:31:59] that's

[00:31:59] like

[00:31:59] wow

[00:31:59] that's

[00:31:59] really

[00:32:00] good

[00:32:00] and

[00:32:01] then

[00:32:01] you

[00:32:01] put

[00:32:01] it

[00:32:01] down

[00:32:01] and

[00:32:02] you

[00:32:02] go

[00:32:02] back

[00:32:02] to

[00:32:02] it

[00:32:02] or

[00:32:02] say

[00:32:03] it's

[00:32:03] on

[00:32:03] your

[00:32:13] song

[00:32:15] during

[00:32:15] I

[00:32:16] did

[00:32:17] a

[00:32:17] similar

[00:32:17] writing

[00:32:18] exercise

[00:32:19] I

[00:32:20] called

[00:32:20] it

[00:32:20] a

[00:32:20] writing

[00:32:21] exercise

[00:32:21] because

[00:32:22] pandemic

[00:32:24] you

[00:32:24] know

[00:32:24] started

[00:32:25] 2020

[00:32:25] I

[00:32:25] was

[00:32:26] on

[00:32:26] tour

[00:32:26] when

[00:32:26] pandemic

[00:32:27] hit

[00:32:27] I was

[00:32:27] touring

[00:32:28] solo

[00:32:28] with

[00:32:28] some

[00:32:28] friends

[00:32:29] and

[00:32:30] had

[00:32:30] to

[00:32:30] go

[00:32:30] back

[00:32:30] to

[00:32:31] like

[00:32:31] a

[00:32:31] not

[00:32:31] great

[00:32:31] living

[00:32:31] situation

[00:32:32] or

[00:32:43] influenced

[00:32:44] by

[00:32:44] bands

[00:32:45] like

[00:32:45] you

[00:32:45] know

[00:32:46] Marked

[00:32:47] Men

[00:32:47] and

[00:32:48] some

[00:32:48] more

[00:32:48] hardcore

[00:32:48] stuff

[00:32:48] and

[00:32:49] just

[00:32:49] all

[00:32:49] the

[00:32:49] songs

[00:32:50] are

[00:32:50] very

[00:32:50] short

[00:32:51] and

[00:32:52] it

[00:32:52] was

[00:32:52] like

[00:32:53] like

[00:32:54] Dirt

[00:32:54] Cult

[00:32:55] Records

[00:32:55] in the

[00:32:55] States

[00:32:56] released

[00:32:56] a

[00:32:56] tape

[00:32:57] of

[00:32:57] it

[00:32:57] and

[00:32:57] it's

[00:32:58] 20

[00:32:58] songs

[00:32:59] in

[00:32:59] 19

[00:32:59] minutes

[00:33:00] and

[00:33:00] it

[00:33:00] was

[00:33:00] just

[00:33:00] like

[00:33:00] I

[00:33:01] had

[00:33:01] one

[00:33:01] hook

[00:33:01] and

[00:33:01] I

[00:33:02] was

[00:33:02] like

[00:33:02] that's

[00:33:02] the

[00:33:02] whole

[00:33:02] song

[00:33:02] it's

[00:33:03] like

[00:33:03] short

[00:33:03] music

[00:33:04] for

[00:33:04] short

[00:33:04] people

[00:33:05] or

[00:33:05] whatever

[00:33:05] I

[00:33:06] you

[00:33:06] know

[00:33:13] Dillinger 4

[00:33:14] song

[00:33:14] Farts

[00:33:14] Are

[00:33:15] Jazz

[00:33:15] To

[00:33:15] Assholes

[00:33:15] that

[00:33:16] song

[00:33:16] is

[00:33:16] amazing

[00:33:16] and

[00:33:17] the

[00:33:17] enemy

[00:33:17] you

[00:33:17] song

[00:33:18] Bedroom

[00:33:18] Windows

[00:33:18] those

[00:33:19] songs

[00:33:19] are

[00:33:19] like

[00:33:20] high

[00:33:21] mark

[00:33:21] shit

[00:33:21] and

[00:33:21] then

[00:33:21] you're

[00:33:22] like

[00:33:22] and

[00:33:22] then

[00:33:22] there's

[00:33:23] a bunch

[00:33:23] of

[00:33:23] transphobic

[00:33:23] crap

[00:33:24] right

[00:33:24] wow

[00:33:25] yeah

[00:33:25] but it

[00:33:25] was

[00:33:26] that's

[00:33:26] a shame

[00:33:26] yeah

[00:33:28] weird

[00:33:28] how things

[00:33:29] have shifted

[00:33:30] so much

[00:33:30] in 20

[00:33:31] years

[00:33:31] I

[00:33:32] watched

[00:33:32] like

[00:33:32] movies

[00:33:33] from

[00:33:33] the

[00:33:33] 90s

[00:33:34] and

[00:33:35] it's

[00:33:35] like

[00:33:35] I

[00:33:36] remember

[00:33:36] as a

[00:33:37] kid

[00:33:37] because

[00:33:38] that

[00:33:38] was

[00:33:43] I

[00:33:44] do

[00:33:44] the

[00:33:44] like

[00:33:45] I

[00:33:45] also

[00:33:46] watch

[00:33:46] a lot

[00:33:47] of

[00:33:47] 90s

[00:33:47] movies

[00:33:47] and

[00:33:47] a lot

[00:33:48] of

[00:33:48] like

[00:33:48] 80s

[00:33:48] horror

[00:33:49] and

[00:33:49] stuff

[00:33:49] like

[00:33:49] that

[00:33:50] but

[00:33:51] a

[00:33:51] friend

[00:33:51] of

[00:33:51] mine

[00:33:52] and

[00:33:52] I

[00:33:52] were

[00:33:52] watching

[00:33:53] a

[00:33:53] John

[00:33:53] Waters

[00:33:54] movie

[00:33:54] recently

[00:33:54] Serial

[00:33:55] Mom

[00:33:55] from

[00:33:55] the

[00:33:55] 90s

[00:33:56] and

[00:33:56] that

[00:33:56] movie

[00:33:57] is

[00:33:57] very

[00:33:58] funny

[00:33:58] and

[00:33:59] you're

[00:33:59] like

[00:33:59] John

[00:33:59] Waters

[00:34:00] queer

[00:34:00] icon

[00:34:00] good

[00:34:01] taste

[00:34:01] like

[00:34:01] all

[00:34:02] this

[00:34:02] stuff

[00:34:02] and

[00:34:03] the

[00:34:14] it's

[00:34:14] so

[00:34:15] of

[00:34:15] the

[00:34:15] time

[00:34:16] and

[00:34:16] it's

[00:34:16] so

[00:34:16] cringy

[00:34:17] and

[00:34:17] I'm

[00:34:17] like

[00:34:17] John

[00:34:17] Waters

[00:34:18] why'd

[00:34:18] you

[00:34:18] do

[00:34:18] that

[00:34:19] to

[00:34:20] me

[00:34:20] like

[00:34:21] because

[00:34:21] it's

[00:34:21] almost

[00:34:22] like

[00:34:22] that

[00:34:22] was

[00:34:22] it

[00:34:23] though

[00:34:23] that

[00:34:23] was

[00:34:23] the

[00:34:23] gag

[00:34:24] you

[00:34:25] needed

[00:34:25] someone

[00:34:25] to

[00:34:25] punch

[00:34:26] at

[00:34:26] absolutely

[00:34:26] yeah

[00:34:27] and

[00:34:27] it

[00:34:27] was

[00:34:27] just

[00:34:28] very

[00:34:28] easy

[00:34:28] because

[00:34:29] at

[00:34:29] that

[00:34:29] time

[00:34:29] I

[00:34:30] don't

[00:34:30] know

[00:34:30] it's

[00:34:30] just

[00:34:31] well

[00:34:31] it

[00:34:31] wasn't

[00:34:31] it

[00:34:32] it's

[00:34:32] not

[00:34:32] like

[00:34:33] folks

[00:34:33] like

[00:34:34] me

[00:34:34] didn't

[00:34:34] exist

[00:34:34] it's

[00:34:35] just

[00:34:35] the

[00:34:35] representation

[00:34:36] was

[00:34:36] so

[00:34:37] minimal

[00:34:37] and

[00:34:38] then

[00:34:38] as

[00:34:39] time

[00:34:39] goes

[00:34:39] on

[00:34:40] they

[00:34:40] didn't

[00:34:41] punch

[00:34:41] back

[00:34:42] as

[00:34:42] hard

[00:34:42] which

[00:34:43] is

[00:34:43] no

[00:34:43] and

[00:34:44] you

[00:34:44] know

[00:34:44] the

[00:34:44] concept

[00:34:45] of

[00:34:46] I

[00:34:47] think

[00:34:47] people

[00:34:47] didn't

[00:34:47] realize

[00:34:48] how

[00:34:48] much

[00:34:48] comedy

[00:34:49] for

[00:34:50] so

[00:34:50] long

[00:34:50] was

[00:34:50] just

[00:35:04] why

[00:35:04] don't

[00:35:05] we

[00:35:06] play

[00:35:06] a song

[00:35:06] on

[00:35:07] ego

[00:35:07] and

[00:35:07] vice

[00:35:07] we

[00:35:07] always

[00:35:08] try

[00:35:08] to

[00:35:08] pepper

[00:35:09] in

[00:35:09] some

[00:35:10] music

[00:35:10] from

[00:35:11] the

[00:35:11] guest

[00:35:12] and

[00:35:14] when

[00:35:14] there

[00:35:14] is

[00:35:14] a

[00:35:14] music

[00:35:15] podcast

[00:35:15] you

[00:35:15] should

[00:35:16] have

[00:35:16] music

[00:35:16] on

[00:35:16] it

[00:35:16] I

[00:35:16] would

[00:35:17] agree

[00:35:18] with

[00:35:18] that

[00:35:19] I'll

[00:35:20] let

[00:35:20] you

[00:35:20] introduce

[00:35:20] something

[00:35:20] you

[00:35:21] can

[00:35:21] choose

[00:35:21] anything

[00:35:21] you

[00:35:33] titled

[00:35:34] I May

[00:35:34] Be a

[00:35:35] Bad

[00:35:35] Influence

[00:35:35] but

[00:35:36] at

[00:35:36] least

[00:35:36] I'm

[00:35:36] not

[00:35:36] a

[00:35:36] fascist

[00:35:37] cuck

[00:35:37] love

[00:35:37] it

[00:35:38] let's

[00:35:39] go

[00:35:39] with

[00:35:39] that

[00:35:39] song

[00:35:40] that

[00:35:40] sounds

[00:35:40] good

[00:35:40] ego

[00:35:41] and

[00:35:41] vice

[00:37:13] getting

[00:37:14] back

[00:37:14] to

[00:37:14] writing

[00:37:16] talking

[00:37:16] about

[00:37:16] writing

[00:37:17] a lot

[00:37:19] is

[00:37:21] I

[00:37:21] would

[00:37:21] say

[00:37:21] an

[00:37:22] understatement

[00:37:22] it's

[00:37:22] just

[00:37:23] who

[00:37:23] you

[00:37:24] are

[00:37:24] I

[00:37:34] to

[00:37:34] I

[00:37:34] just

[00:37:35] go

[00:37:35] to

[00:37:35] Spotify

[00:37:35] because

[00:37:36] everything

[00:37:36] is

[00:37:36] there

[00:37:36] more

[00:37:37] or

[00:37:37] less

[00:37:37] but

[00:37:37] I

[00:37:38] go

[00:37:38] back

[00:37:38] as

[00:37:38] far

[00:37:38] as

[00:37:38] 2020

[00:37:40] you

[00:37:41] had

[00:37:41] two

[00:37:41] EPs

[00:37:42] in

[00:37:42] a

[00:37:43] week

[00:37:43] Beneath

[00:37:44] the

[00:37:45] Bridges

[00:37:46] and

[00:37:46] Rumination

[00:37:47] Year

[00:37:47] and then

[00:37:48] in July

[00:37:49] you had

[00:37:49] Frayed

[00:37:49] which was

[00:37:50] another

[00:37:50] three

[00:37:51] song

[00:37:51] you

[00:37:51] had

[00:37:51] Ambitious

[00:37:53] Failures

[00:37:54] 21

[00:37:54] you had

[00:37:55] Dystopia

[00:37:56] City Limits

[00:37:57] in 22

[00:37:57] I was

[00:37:58] a

[00:37:58] Fat

[00:37:58] Stupid

[00:37:58] which is

[00:37:59] funny

[00:37:59] I think

[00:38:00] that's

[00:38:00] a

[00:38:00] funny

[00:38:00] title

[00:38:00] it's

[00:38:01] funny

[00:38:02] especially

[00:38:02] now

[00:38:02] that

[00:38:02] people

[00:38:03] know

[00:38:03] I

[00:38:03] was

[00:38:03] in

[00:38:03] a

[00:38:03] band

[00:38:04] called

[00:38:04] Fat

[00:38:04] Stupid

[00:38:05] oh

[00:38:06] okay

[00:38:06] I

[00:38:06] got

[00:38:07] it

[00:38:07] yeah

[00:38:07] okay

[00:38:08] then

[00:38:08] there

[00:38:08] was

[00:38:09] Winter

[00:38:10] Trash

[00:38:13] Stop

[00:38:14] Start

[00:38:14] Repeat

[00:38:14] The

[00:38:15] Breakdown

[00:38:16] of

[00:38:16] Progress

[00:38:17] Blemishes

[00:38:18] and Scars

[00:38:18] A Collection

[00:38:19] which is

[00:38:20] actually

[00:38:28] that

[00:38:29] didn't

[00:38:30] have

[00:38:30] a

[00:38:30] place

[00:38:31] from

[00:38:31] 2017

[00:38:32] to

[00:38:33] last

[00:38:34] year

[00:38:34] I

[00:38:35] was

[00:38:35] just

[00:38:35] like

[00:38:35] I

[00:38:36] found

[00:38:37] an

[00:38:37] entire

[00:38:38] EP

[00:38:38] I

[00:38:38] had

[00:38:39] recorded

[00:38:39] during

[00:38:39] the

[00:38:39] pandemic

[00:38:40] of

[00:38:40] the

[00:38:40] songs

[00:38:40] I

[00:38:41] was

[00:38:41] playing

[00:38:41] before

[00:38:41] pandemic

[00:38:42] and I

[00:38:42] was

[00:38:42] just

[00:38:43] like

[00:38:43] I

[00:38:43] should

[00:38:43] finish

[00:38:43] this

[00:38:44] and I

[00:38:44] just

[00:38:44] never

[00:38:44] did

[00:38:45] those

[00:38:45] are

[00:38:45] cool

[00:38:45] though

[00:38:45] I

[00:38:58] and

[00:38:58] it's

[00:38:59] funny

[00:38:59] that

[00:38:59] as

[00:39:00] you're

[00:39:00] listing

[00:39:00] all of

[00:39:01] that

[00:39:01] stuff

[00:39:02] while

[00:39:03] that

[00:39:04] was

[00:39:04] going

[00:39:04] on

[00:39:04] there

[00:39:05] were

[00:39:05] like

[00:39:05] five

[00:39:06] or

[00:39:06] six

[00:39:06] releases

[00:39:07] from

[00:39:07] Cluttered

[00:39:08] I

[00:39:08] started

[00:39:08] Crisis

[00:39:09] Party

[00:39:09] we've

[00:39:09] had

[00:39:10] a couple

[00:39:10] releases

[00:39:12] so that's

[00:39:13] just

[00:39:14] solo

[00:39:14] material

[00:39:14] there's

[00:39:15] other

[00:39:15] stuff

[00:39:16] like

[00:39:16] I

[00:39:16] play

[00:39:16] in

[00:39:16] Precious

[00:39:17] Failures

[00:39:17] with

[00:39:17] Rich

[00:39:19] I

[00:39:19] did

[00:39:20] have

[00:39:20] a list

[00:39:21] of

[00:39:21] bands

[00:39:21] there

[00:39:21] Precious

[00:39:22] Failures

[00:39:22] Crisis

[00:39:23] Party

[00:39:23] Cluttered

[00:39:24] Zeal

[00:39:24] your

[00:39:25] solo

[00:39:25] stuff

[00:39:25] that's

[00:39:26] just

[00:39:26] the

[00:39:26] name

[00:39:26] of

[00:39:26] few

[00:39:27] yeah

[00:39:27] yeah

[00:39:28] it's

[00:39:28] I

[00:39:29] mean

[00:39:29] it's

[00:39:30] a

[00:39:30] it's

[00:39:31] a

[00:39:31] weekend

[00:39:31] ads

[00:39:32] there's

[00:39:33] a

[00:39:33] long

[00:39:33] standing

[00:39:33] band

[00:39:33] in

[00:39:34] Halifax

[00:39:34] called

[00:39:34] the

[00:39:34] Hemingways

[00:39:35] which

[00:39:35] were

[00:39:35] one

[00:39:51] there's

[00:39:52] always

[00:39:52] something

[00:39:53] that

[00:39:53] I'm

[00:39:53] like

[00:39:54] this

[00:39:54] inspires

[00:39:55] me

[00:39:55] and

[00:39:55] I

[00:39:55] run

[00:39:56] off

[00:39:56] and

[00:39:56] do

[00:39:56] a

[00:39:56] project

[00:39:57] and

[00:39:57] then

[00:39:57] whatever

[00:39:58] happens

[00:39:58] happens

[00:39:59] which

[00:39:59] comes

[00:39:59] back

[00:39:59] full

[00:40:00] circle

[00:40:00] to

[00:40:00] that's

[00:40:01] a lot

[00:40:01] of

[00:40:01] hours

[00:40:02] in

[00:40:02] a

[00:40:02] week

[00:40:02] and

[00:40:21] we

[00:40:22] performed

[00:40:22] last

[00:40:22] week

[00:40:23] as

[00:40:23] Maddie

[00:40:23] Grace

[00:40:23] and

[00:40:23] the

[00:40:23] rumination

[00:40:24] year

[00:40:24] I

[00:40:24] thought

[00:40:24] that's

[00:40:25] a

[00:40:25] nice

[00:40:25] nod

[00:40:26] it's

[00:40:26] a

[00:40:26] cool

[00:40:26] name

[00:40:27] whatever

[00:40:27] and

[00:40:28] originally

[00:40:28] that

[00:40:29] was

[00:40:29] intended

[00:40:29] to

[00:40:29] be

[00:40:30] myself

[00:40:31] and

[00:40:31] like

[00:40:32] essentially

[00:40:32] whoever

[00:40:33] wanted

[00:40:34] to

[00:40:34] play

[00:40:35] my

[00:40:35] solo

[00:40:35] songs

[00:40:35] with

[00:40:35] me

[00:40:36] and

[00:40:36] then

[00:40:36] I

[00:40:36] assembled

[00:40:36] a band

[00:40:37] that

[00:40:37] is

[00:40:38] so

[00:40:39] good

[00:40:40] and

[00:40:40] we

[00:40:41] all

[00:40:41] have

[00:40:42] such

[00:40:42] a

[00:40:42] good

[00:40:42] time

[00:40:43] that

[00:40:43] I'm

[00:40:43] like

[00:40:43] maybe

[00:40:44] we

[00:40:44] drop

[00:40:44] the

[00:40:44] Maddie

[00:40:45] Grace

[00:40:45] and

[00:40:45] and

[00:40:46] we

[00:40:46] just

[00:40:46] become

[00:40:46] rumination

[00:40:47] here

[00:40:47] and

[00:40:47] I

[00:40:47] was

[00:40:47] like

[00:40:47] there's

[00:40:47] so

[00:40:48] much

[00:40:48] that

[00:40:48] comes

[00:40:48] with

[00:40:49] that

[00:40:49] like

[00:40:49] oh

[00:40:50] am

[00:40:50] I

[00:40:51] ready

[00:40:51] to

[00:40:51] dive

[00:41:16] and

[00:41:16] does

[00:41:17] male

[00:41:17] nurse

[00:41:18] as a

[00:41:18] solo

[00:41:18] thing

[00:41:19] and

[00:41:19] then

[00:41:19] the

[00:41:20] other

[00:41:20] guitar

[00:41:20] player

[00:41:21] is

[00:41:21] a

[00:41:21] person

[00:41:21] I

[00:41:22] knew

[00:41:22] from

[00:41:22] Halifax

[00:41:22] we

[00:41:23] played

[00:41:23] a

[00:41:23] show

[00:41:23] together

[00:41:23] for

[00:41:24] the

[00:41:24] first

[00:41:24] time

[00:41:24] in

[00:41:24] 2005

[00:41:25] and

[00:41:25] we

[00:41:27] reconnected

[00:41:28] and

[00:41:28] I

[00:41:28] learned

[00:41:28] you

[00:41:28] lived

[00:41:28] here

[00:41:29] and

[00:41:29] I

[00:41:29] was

[00:41:29] like

[00:41:29] let's

[00:41:29] do

[00:41:29] music

[00:41:30] so

[00:41:30] absolutely

[00:41:31] well you

[00:41:32] get like

[00:41:32] seasoned

[00:41:32] people

[00:41:33] who

[00:41:33] know

[00:41:33] who

[00:41:34] get

[00:41:34] it

[00:41:34] right

[00:41:34] and

[00:41:35] it

[00:41:35] just

[00:41:35] falls

[00:41:35] together

[00:41:36] better

[00:41:36] than

[00:41:36] just

[00:41:37] kind

[00:41:37] of

[00:41:37] throwing

[00:41:37] something

[00:41:37] together

[00:41:38] and

[00:41:38] I

[00:41:38] understand

[00:41:38] like

[00:41:40] kind

[00:41:40] of

[00:41:40] controlling

[00:41:41] your own

[00:41:41] destiny

[00:41:41] with

[00:41:42] music

[00:41:42] and

[00:41:42] stuff

[00:41:42] because

[00:41:43] I've

[00:41:43] been

[00:41:43] in

[00:41:43] bands

[00:41:43] I'm

[00:41:44] in

[00:41:44] a

[00:41:44] band

[00:41:44] right

[00:41:45] now

[00:41:45] that

[00:41:45] I'm

[00:41:45] just

[00:41:45] the

[00:41:46] guitar

[00:41:46] player

[00:41:46] I

[00:42:05] if

[00:42:06] your

[00:42:06] vision

[00:42:07] differs

[00:42:07] from

[00:42:08] kind

[00:42:09] of

[00:42:09] what

[00:42:09] they

[00:42:10] have

[00:42:10] in

[00:42:10] mind

[00:42:11] sometimes

[00:42:12] it's

[00:42:12] not

[00:42:12] worth

[00:42:13] trying

[00:42:13] to

[00:42:14] get

[00:42:14] your

[00:42:14] input

[00:42:14] in

[00:42:14] you're

[00:42:15] just

[00:42:15] like

[00:42:15] whatever

[00:42:15] I'll

[00:42:15] just

[00:42:15] go

[00:42:16] along

[00:42:16] with

[00:42:16] it

[00:42:16] yeah

[00:42:16] it's

[00:42:17] great

[00:42:17] because

[00:42:17] in

[00:42:18] one

[00:42:18] of

[00:42:18] my

[00:42:18] bands

[00:42:18] go

[00:42:19] to

[00:42:20] it's

[00:42:20] more

[00:42:20] of

[00:42:20] just

[00:42:21] a

[00:42:21] recording

[00:42:21] project

[00:42:22] now

[00:42:22] the

[00:42:22] bass

[00:42:23] player

[00:42:23] and

[00:42:23] the

[00:42:23] drummer

[00:42:23] they

[00:42:24] kind

[00:42:24] of

[00:42:24] went

[00:42:24] their

[00:42:24] own

[00:42:24] ways

[00:42:25] and

[00:42:25] I

[00:42:25] just

[00:42:25] kind

[00:42:25] of

[00:42:25] kept

[00:42:25] going

[00:42:28] I

[00:42:35] networking

[00:42:36] and

[00:42:36] the

[00:42:36] booking

[00:42:37] and

[00:42:37] the

[00:42:37] writing

[00:42:38] and

[00:42:38] everything

[00:42:38] going

[00:42:39] to

[00:42:39] shows

[00:42:39] meeting

[00:42:39] people

[00:42:40] figuring

[00:42:40] things

[00:42:40] out

[00:42:41] the

[00:42:41] whole

[00:42:41] deal

[00:42:41] it

[00:42:41] was

[00:42:42] endless

[00:42:42] like

[00:42:42] I'd

[00:42:42] always

[00:42:42] complain

[00:42:43] that

[00:42:43] they

[00:42:43] never

[00:42:43] did

[00:42:43] anything

[00:42:44] but

[00:42:44] when

[00:42:44] they

[00:42:44] started

[00:42:45] trying

[00:42:45] to

[00:42:45] help

[00:42:46] out

[00:42:46] I'd

[00:42:46] always

[00:42:46] be

[00:42:46] like

[00:42:46] no

[00:42:46] no

[00:42:47] stop

[00:42:47] no

[00:42:47] it's

[00:42:47] not

[00:42:47] how

[00:42:47] I

[00:42:48] want

[00:42:48] it

[00:42:48] you know

[00:42:48] but

[00:42:49] it

[00:42:49] was

[00:42:49] so

[00:42:49] nice

[00:42:50] when

[00:42:50] I

[00:42:50] joined

[00:42:51] the

[00:42:51] other

[00:42:51] band

[00:42:51] the

[00:42:52] riptides

[00:42:52] because

[00:42:52] it

[00:42:52] was

[00:42:53] just

[00:43:05] one

[00:43:06] of

[00:43:06] the

[00:43:06] songwriters

[00:43:06] and

[00:43:07] weekend

[00:43:07] dads

[00:43:07] is

[00:43:08] Corey O'Neill

[00:43:08] from

[00:43:08] the

[00:43:09] varsity

[00:43:09] weirdos

[00:43:09] who

[00:43:11] is

[00:43:12] a

[00:43:12] sometimes

[00:43:12] fill in

[00:43:13] player

[00:43:13] for

[00:43:14] the

[00:43:14] riptides

[00:43:14] went

[00:43:14] down

[00:43:15] to

[00:43:15] Atlanta

[00:43:15] and

[00:43:15] recorded

[00:43:16] a

[00:43:16] massive

[00:43:16] studio

[00:43:16] with

[00:43:17] them

[00:43:17] and

[00:43:17] it's

[00:43:17] like

[00:43:17] Corzy

[00:43:19] yeah

[00:43:19] yeah

[00:43:20] he was

[00:43:20] he was

[00:43:21] oh

[00:43:21] Corzy

[00:43:21] is that

[00:43:22] what

[00:43:22] they

[00:43:22] call

[00:43:22] Corzy

[00:43:23] yeah

[00:43:23] we

[00:43:23] I met

[00:43:24] Corzy

[00:43:25] I've been

[00:43:25] I've been

[00:43:25] in the

[00:43:25] riptides

[00:43:26] for seven

[00:43:27] years

[00:43:27] oh

[00:43:27] shit

[00:43:28] yeah

[00:43:29] oh

[00:43:29] you would

[00:43:29] have

[00:43:29] met

[00:43:30] years

[00:43:30] ago

[00:43:31] yeah

[00:43:32] well

[00:43:32] he wasn't

[00:43:33] in the

[00:43:33] band

[00:43:33] when I

[00:43:33] first

[00:43:33] met him

[00:43:34] because

[00:43:34] there

[00:43:34] was

[00:43:34] he

[00:43:35] well

[00:43:36] he's

[00:43:36] never

[00:43:36] not

[00:43:36] really

[00:43:36] in

[00:43:36] the

[00:43:37] band

[00:43:37] anyway

[00:43:37] he's

[00:43:37] just

[00:43:38] kind

[00:43:38] of

[00:43:38] whatever

[00:43:38] if we're

[00:43:38] talking about

[00:43:39] the same

[00:43:39] Cory

[00:43:39] I can't

[00:43:40] imagine

[00:43:40] we're not

[00:43:40] talking

[00:44:00] holiday

[00:44:00] in

[00:44:00] card

[00:44:01] it

[00:44:01] wasn't

[00:44:02] sleeping

[00:44:02] on the

[00:44:02] floor

[00:44:03] of the

[00:44:03] van

[00:44:03] every

[00:44:04] night

[00:44:04] we were

[00:44:04] in

[00:44:04] like

[00:44:05] king

[00:44:05] size

[00:44:05] fun

[00:44:06] story

[00:44:07] about

[00:44:07] that

[00:44:07] tour

[00:44:08] I was

[00:44:09] actually

[00:44:09] who

[00:44:09] got

[00:44:09] him

[00:44:09] ready

[00:44:10] for it

[00:44:10] oh

[00:44:10] really

[00:44:11] he sent

[00:44:11] me

[00:44:11] the

[00:44:11] set

[00:44:12] list

[00:44:12] like

[00:44:12] two

[00:44:12] weeks

[00:44:13] before

[00:44:13] he's

[00:44:13] supposed

[00:44:13] to

[00:44:13] leave

[00:44:14] and

[00:44:14] he's

[00:44:14] like

[00:44:14] Maddie

[00:44:14] can

[00:44:14] you

[00:44:29] yeah

[00:44:30] I

[00:44:30] helped

[00:44:31] him

[00:44:31] get

[00:44:31] ready

[00:44:31] for

[00:44:31] that

[00:44:31] amazing

[00:44:32] that's

[00:44:32] the

[00:44:32] universe

[00:44:33] again

[00:44:33] it's

[00:44:33] just

[00:44:33] this

[00:44:34] strange

[00:44:34] kind

[00:44:35] of

[00:44:35] thing

[00:44:36] man

[00:44:36] yeah

[00:44:37] Cory's

[00:44:37] awesome

[00:44:37] Corsi

[00:44:38] that's

[00:44:38] what we

[00:44:38] call him

[00:44:39] yeah

[00:44:39] it's

[00:44:39] funny

[00:44:40] I ran

[00:44:40] into

[00:44:41] when

[00:44:42] Lone Wolf

[00:44:42] played

[00:44:42] at the

[00:44:43] dom

[00:44:43] recently

[00:44:44] I

[00:44:45] hadn't

[00:44:45] seen

[00:44:45] any

[00:44:46] of

[00:44:46] the

[00:44:46] folks

[00:44:46] in

[00:44:46] the

[00:44:46] riptides

[00:44:47] in

[00:44:47] years

[00:44:48] and

[00:44:49] Jeff

[00:44:50] or

[00:44:50] Scott

[00:44:51] Jeff

[00:44:51] or

[00:44:51] whatever

[00:44:51] he

[00:44:51] plays

[00:44:52] bass

[00:44:53] in

[00:44:53] Crisis

[00:44:53] Party

[00:44:53] and

[00:44:53] he was

[00:44:54] there

[00:44:54] and

[00:44:54] he's

[00:44:55] like

[00:44:55] Maddie

[00:44:55] riptides

[00:44:56] and

[00:44:56] I was

[00:44:56] like

[00:44:56] oh

[00:44:56] cool

[00:44:56] and

[00:44:57] then

[00:44:57] I was

[00:44:58] like

[00:44:58] oh

[00:44:58] you know

[00:44:58] you know

[00:44:59] Cory

[00:44:59] we play

[00:45:00] in Weekend Dads

[00:45:00] together

[00:45:00] and

[00:45:00] I forget

[00:45:01] exactly

[00:45:01] who it

[00:45:02] was

[00:45:02] but

[00:45:02] eyes

[00:45:02] lit up

[00:45:03] he's

[00:45:03] like

[00:45:03] can

[00:45:03] we

[00:45:24] played

[00:45:25] the

[00:45:25] fest

[00:45:25] in

[00:45:25] Florida

[00:45:25] like

[00:45:26] oh

[00:45:26] that's

[00:45:26] awesome

[00:45:27] we've

[00:45:27] uh

[00:45:27] we've

[00:45:28] been around

[00:45:28] the block

[00:45:28] together

[00:45:29] we're

[00:45:29] gonna

[00:45:29] try

[00:45:29] to

[00:45:30] get

[00:45:30] together

[00:45:30] to

[00:45:31] do

[00:45:31] something

[00:45:31] but

[00:45:31] he's

[00:45:31] also

[00:45:32] like

[00:45:32] he's

[00:45:33] got

[00:45:33] kids

[00:45:33] and

[00:45:34] like

[00:45:34] everybody's

[00:45:35] got

[00:45:35] kids

[00:45:35] now

[00:45:35] I

[00:45:54] to

[00:45:54] do

[00:45:55] like

[00:45:55] a

[00:45:55] major

[00:45:55] city

[00:45:55] like

[00:45:55] east

[00:45:56] coast

[00:45:56] tour

[00:45:56] in

[00:45:56] the

[00:45:57] states

[00:45:57] and

[00:45:57] everything

[00:45:57] obviously

[00:45:58] got

[00:45:58] shut

[00:45:58] down

[00:45:59] and

[00:46:00] we

[00:46:01] took

[00:46:01] a

[00:46:01] big

[00:46:01] long

[00:46:01] break

[00:46:02] and

[00:46:24] the

[00:46:25] drummer

[00:46:25] is

[00:46:26] the

[00:46:26] original

[00:46:26] drummer

[00:46:27] from

[00:46:27] the

[00:46:27] very

[00:46:28] first

[00:46:28] incarnation

[00:46:29] of

[00:46:29] the

[00:46:29] riptides

[00:46:30] they

[00:46:30] called

[00:46:30] him

[00:46:30] Johnny

[00:46:31] Dangerously

[00:46:31] he's

[00:46:32] Johnny

[00:46:32] Utah

[00:46:33] now

[00:46:33] because

[00:46:34] it's

[00:46:34] a

[00:46:34] new

[00:46:34] era

[00:46:35] but

[00:46:35] we

[00:46:36] did

[00:46:36] have

[00:46:36] a

[00:46:36] drummer

[00:46:37] Jeff

[00:46:37] Zuba

[00:46:38] who was

[00:46:38] in

[00:46:38] the band

[00:46:39] for a

[00:46:39] long

[00:46:39] time

[00:46:39] but

[00:46:40] he

[00:46:40] kind

[00:46:40] of

[00:46:41] went

[00:46:41] he

[00:46:41] had

[00:46:41] some

[00:46:41] personal

[00:46:42] stuff

[00:46:42] to

[00:46:42] take

[00:46:43] care

[00:46:43] of

[00:46:43] and

[00:46:44] it

[00:46:44] was

[00:46:44] a

[00:46:44] long

[00:46:45] stretch

[00:46:45] of

[00:46:45] inactivity

[00:46:46] right

[00:46:47] I

[00:46:47] mean

[00:46:48] when

[00:46:48] the

[00:46:48] riptides

[00:46:49] the

[00:46:49] last

[00:46:49] time

[00:46:49] they

[00:46:50] played

[00:46:50] Halifax

[00:46:50] was

[00:46:51] like

[00:46:51] 2005

[00:46:52] my

[00:46:53] first

[00:46:53] band

[00:46:54] played

[00:46:54] that

[00:46:54] show

[00:46:54] and

[00:46:56] me

[00:46:57] being

[00:46:58] kind

[00:46:59] of

[00:46:59] I

[00:47:00] don't

[00:47:00] know

[00:47:00] not

[00:47:01] caring

[00:47:02] about

[00:47:02] the

[00:47:02] social

[00:47:02] situation

[00:47:03] you

[00:47:04] know

[00:47:04] and

[00:47:04] it's

[00:47:04] a

[00:47:04] different

[00:47:05] time

[00:47:05] it's

[00:47:05] 2005

[00:47:07] one

[00:47:08] of

[00:47:08] the

[00:47:08] brothers

[00:47:10] said

[00:47:11] something

[00:47:11] was

[00:47:11] like

[00:47:11] we

[00:47:12] do

[00:47:12] this

[00:47:12] for

[00:47:12] for

[00:47:13] whatever

[00:47:13] reason

[00:47:13] and

[00:47:14] I

[00:47:14] was

[00:47:14] just

[00:47:14] like

[00:47:14] oh

[00:47:15] this

[00:47:15] is

[00:47:15] so

[00:47:15] arrogant

[00:47:16] misogynist

[00:47:16] or

[00:47:16] whatever

[00:47:16] and

[00:47:17] then

[00:47:17] I

[00:47:17] learned

[00:47:17] that

[00:47:18] Pat

[00:47:19] Birch

[00:47:19] was

[00:47:19] playing

[00:47:20] drums

[00:47:20] at

[00:47:20] the

[00:47:20] time

[00:47:20] we

[00:47:21] do

[00:47:22] a

[00:47:23] Misfits

[00:47:23] Ramones

[00:47:24] Black Flag

[00:47:25] cover band

[00:47:25] for Targ

[00:47:26] at

[00:47:26] Halloween

[00:47:26] but

[00:47:27] their

[00:47:27] guitar

[00:47:28] player

[00:47:28] at

[00:47:28] the

[00:47:28] time

[00:47:28] it

[00:47:29] was

[00:47:29] Scotty

[00:47:29] from

[00:47:30] The

[00:47:30] Creeps

[00:47:30] did

[00:47:31] hang up

[00:47:31] on

[00:47:32] guitar

[00:47:32] I

[00:47:44] Pat

[00:47:45] Pat

[00:47:45] just

[00:47:45] like

[00:47:45] oh

[00:47:45] yeah

[00:47:46] it

[00:47:46] was

[00:47:46] me

[00:47:46] and

[00:47:46] Rob

[00:47:46] playing

[00:47:47] in

[00:47:47] the

[00:47:47] band

[00:47:47] and

[00:47:48] I

[00:47:48] was

[00:47:48] like

[00:47:48] that's

[00:47:48] so

[00:47:49] like

[00:47:49] small

[00:47:49] world

[00:47:50] shit

[00:47:50] like

[00:47:50] you're

[00:47:50] saying

[00:47:50] just

[00:47:51] like

[00:47:51] so

[00:47:51] weird

[00:47:52] it's

[00:47:52] all

[00:47:53] an

[00:47:53] act

[00:47:54] yeah

[00:47:54] those

[00:47:55] those

[00:47:55] Bob

[00:47:56] and

[00:47:56] Andy

[00:47:56] are

[00:47:57] like

[00:47:57] the

[00:47:57] nicest

[00:47:58] most

[00:47:59] caring

[00:48:00] dudes

[00:48:00] of

[00:48:00] all

[00:48:00] time

[00:48:01] like

[00:48:01] I

[00:48:01] love

[00:48:02] them

[00:48:03] yeah

[00:48:03] but

[00:48:04] it's

[00:48:05] good

[00:48:05] but

[00:48:05] it's

[00:48:05] weird

[00:48:06] it's

[00:48:06] like

[00:48:07] Johnny's

[00:48:07] back

[00:48:07] in

[00:48:07] the

[00:48:08] band

[00:48:08] and

[00:48:08] that

[00:48:08] was

[00:48:08] another

[00:48:08] universe

[00:48:09] thing

[00:48:10] because

[00:48:10] we

[00:48:12] didn't

[00:48:12] have

[00:48:13] a

[00:48:13] drummer

[00:48:13] and

[00:48:13] we

[00:48:13] were

[00:48:14] kind

[00:48:14] of

[00:48:14] going

[00:48:14] to

[00:48:14] start

[00:48:14] auditioning

[00:48:15] people

[00:48:15] and

[00:48:16] then

[00:48:16] Andy

[00:48:17] ran

[00:48:17] into

[00:48:17] him

[00:48:17] in

[00:48:18] the

[00:48:18] parking

[00:48:18] lot

[00:48:18] of

[00:48:19] the

[00:48:19] Costco

[00:48:19] it's

[00:48:20] like

[00:48:20] Johnny

[00:48:20] still play

[00:48:21] drums

[00:48:21] not really

[00:48:22] you want

[00:48:22] to jam

[00:48:22] okay

[00:48:23] he's

[00:48:23] fucking

[00:48:24] great

[00:48:24] he's

[00:48:24] still

[00:48:24] great

[00:48:25] he

[00:48:25] dusted

[00:48:25] off

[00:48:25] the

[00:48:26] drums

[00:48:26] it's

[00:48:26] almost

[00:48:26] like

[00:48:26] Gary

[00:48:27] from

[00:48:27] positive

[00:48:27] charge

[00:48:28] who

[00:48:28] played

[00:48:28] drums

[00:48:29] all

[00:48:29] his

[00:48:29] life

[00:48:29] in

[00:48:30] Thunder

[00:48:30] Bay

[00:48:30] and

[00:48:30] then

[00:48:30] he

[00:48:30] stopped

[00:48:31] for

[00:48:31] 20

[00:48:31] years

[00:48:32] moved

[00:48:32] to

[00:48:32] Ottawa

[00:48:32] still

[00:48:33] didn't

[00:48:33] play

[00:48:33] and

[00:48:34] he

[00:48:34] ran

[00:48:34] into

[00:48:35] the

[00:48:35] guys

[00:48:35] from

[00:48:35] audio

[00:48:35] visceral

[00:48:36] and

[00:48:36] they're

[00:48:36] like

[00:48:36] you want

[00:48:36] to play

[00:48:36] drums

[00:48:37] yeah

[00:48:37] and he

[00:48:37] dusted

[00:48:37] them off

[00:48:38] and now

[00:48:38] he's

[00:48:38] super

[00:48:39] active

[00:48:40] he's

[00:48:41] busy

[00:48:41] he's

[00:48:42] always

[00:48:42] a

[00:48:42] pleasure