Episode 134: MacKenzi Drew

[00:00:01] Alright guys, our new song goes E, C, D and then back to E

[00:00:08] But I'm not really sure what we should do next

[00:00:12] Any ideas?

[00:00:13] Um, don't you think we should maybe try a new chord progression?

[00:00:17] You know, nearly all of our songs go E, C, D, E

[00:00:21] Oh! If you have the cheek to say that one more time

[00:00:26] I'll make f***ing bubbling squeak out of your bloody gusses

[00:00:30] Sorry Steve, I meant to say I think maybe it should repeat E, C, D, E for the entire duration of the song

[00:00:36] Bloody good idea!

[00:00:38] E, C, D, E, E, C, D, E

[00:00:45] Love it

[00:00:45] Okay, so we have a budget of like 2 million pounds left on this song

[00:00:49] What are we thinking? Expensive music video or pub?

[00:00:53] PUB?

[00:00:56] So what you're telling me is that there's actually other chord progressions other than E, C, D, E?

[00:01:16] No

[00:01:18] Ha, almost had me on that one

[00:01:21] This is Ego and Vice, episode 134

[00:01:24] You got a real attitude problem, fly your slacker

[00:02:16] Hey, what's going on? This is Mike, this is Ego and Vice, episode 134

[00:02:34] How's everyone doing? Another week has gone by

[00:02:37] Sorry I didn't do a podcast last week, I just didn't feel like it

[00:02:40] I had stuff on the go

[00:02:41] I'm not gonna do one next week either, because it's my birthday

[00:02:44] And you know what? We all need a break

[00:02:47] We need time just to kind of enjoy our lives

[00:02:50] Not that the podcast isn't a joy in my life

[00:02:52] It's just, you know, it takes up a lot of time

[00:02:55] Good time

[00:02:56] But when it's my birthday, I'm just gonna do my birthday things

[00:03:00] My birthday things basically are going to be a bike ride

[00:03:03] Which I'm really looking forward to

[00:03:05] And just chilling out, you know, taking it easy

[00:03:09] One year older, one year wiser

[00:03:12] And I think I have a new pain in my lower back

[00:03:15] Oh, gotta book that massage soon

[00:03:18] Anyway, on the podcast this week

[00:03:21] I have a very talented musician

[00:03:25] A visual artist, great guitar player

[00:03:28] Super cool person, her name is Mackenzie Drew

[00:03:32] Kenzie's been playing around town for quite some time

[00:03:36] She was in a band called Dark Desire

[00:03:39] She's done other projects, she's currently in teenage fiction

[00:03:43] We all know and love teenage fiction

[00:03:45] Casual tragedies, which is a pretty crazy story

[00:03:49] And she also has her own project

[00:03:52] It's kind of a looping session, kind of songwriting thing

[00:03:55] And I believe it's called Scrantle

[00:03:57] Which is pretty cool, I like that name

[00:04:00] And I'm pretty sure that this song is from that project

[00:04:05] Scrantle, it's called Jupiter Dances Around the Moon

[00:04:10] Check this track out and we're gonna come right back

[00:04:12] With Mackenzie Drew

[00:04:15] This is Eagle and Vice

[00:04:19] Hey, we're back! This is Eagle and Vice

[00:06:54] This is episode 134

[00:06:56] As promised in the intro, sitting in Southwood Studio

[00:07:00] We have the one and only Mackenzie Drew

[00:07:02] Kenzie, how are you?

[00:07:04] Great, thanks for having me on today

[00:07:06] You're welcome, thank you for answering the call

[00:07:09] I've known about you through other people that have been on the podcast

[00:07:14] I had Sandy Vance, the one and only Sandy Vance on the podcast

[00:07:18] I don't know, last year at some point

[00:07:20] And I knew that you were playing with him in Teenage Fiction

[00:07:23] Yeah, exactly, yeah

[00:07:24] And then I went out to see our mutual acquaintance

[00:07:30] Rich Chris and his band Positive Charge

[00:07:34] But little did I know, the very first band that was on

[00:07:37] Was called Casual Tragedies

[00:07:39] And you were up there playing guitar with that

[00:07:41] I was

[00:07:42] And I said, wow! A renaissance woman

[00:07:45] She can do it all

[00:07:46] So I said, I should really contact her and see if she wants to be on the podcast

[00:07:50] I love interesting conversations and I love meeting new people

[00:07:54] Thank you again for being on

[00:07:55] Yeah, thank you

[00:07:57] So happy to be here

[00:07:58] Well, I'm happy you're here

[00:07:59] So I guess we don't really know each other

[00:08:02] We might as well start from the beginning

[00:08:04] Who are you? Where are you from?

[00:08:07] And what's good?

[00:08:10] So I'm from, well I guess I'm from Ottawa now

[00:08:14] I say I'm from Ottawa but I didn't grow up here

[00:08:17] I was born in Kingston, Ontario

[00:08:20] Grew up in Peterborough, Ontario

[00:08:24] Then in my early 20s I moved to New Brunswick

[00:08:27] Just hopped on a greyhound and moved out there

[00:08:31] That's what I did too

[00:08:33] I grew up in Thunder Bay

[00:08:35] It's a great place to grow up and maybe go home and die one day

[00:08:38] But between the ages of 18 and maybe I'm sure 65

[00:08:43] It's probably a drag

[00:08:45] So I did, I sold all my stuff, packed it into my car

[00:08:49] And just drove to Ottawa and I've been here ever since

[00:08:51] That's great

[00:08:52] I came here because I had enough money in my bank for a one-way ticket to Ottawa

[00:08:56] Yeah that's about right

[00:08:57] I had about a thousand bucks

[00:08:59] And I thought that would last a long time

[00:09:02] But when you don't really have any place to live

[00:09:05] And you don't really have any more money income coming in

[00:09:08] Because you have no job

[00:09:09] Doesn't last very long

[00:09:10] When I moved here I had negative ten dollars in my account

[00:09:14] So have you always been a musician? Have you always played music?

[00:09:18] Kind of

[00:09:19] I grew up in a very musical family

[00:09:22] My parents are huge into music

[00:09:26] Anything ranging from hard rock, hard metal

[00:09:30] To you know, Billie Holiday

[00:09:32] Or you know Johnny Cash or something

[00:09:35] Or Pantera Slayer, the list goes on

[00:09:38] My dad plays guitar

[00:09:41] And when I was about twelve

[00:09:43] I just picked it up and kind of started fooling around with it

[00:09:47] My dad would leave tabs everywhere

[00:09:51] And I just kind of figured it out

[00:09:53] Really?

[00:09:54] Yeah, and so from then I just

[00:09:56] I started to write my own music

[00:09:58] Never had an interest in learning covers

[00:10:01] Or I just always wanted to write my own

[00:10:04] I think it's interesting how

[00:10:07] A lot of the people I talk to

[00:10:10] The artists I talk to have music from a

[00:10:14] Like a childhood from a home

[00:10:17] Or they had a parent or an older brother or sibling

[00:10:19] That played some music and stuff

[00:10:21] Do you think that's a genetic thing?

[00:10:23] Do you think it's actually in you like music?

[00:10:26] Kind of because my uncle plays piano and guitar

[00:10:31] My grandmother used to sing harmonies

[00:10:35] With my grandfather

[00:10:37] So it's kind of maybe it's just in the genetics

[00:10:40] It's environmental as well

[00:10:42] Interesting

[00:10:43] I have two uncles the same

[00:10:45] And they grew up there like in the 60s or 70s

[00:10:48] They were like hippies, I see pictures of them

[00:10:50] And they loved like Bob Dylan

[00:10:52] And they loved the Beatles and stuff

[00:10:53] And they looked like them and that

[00:10:54] And they always played folk guitar and stuff

[00:10:56] My dad and my mom never played music

[00:11:00] They were never musicians

[00:11:02] The only thing that ever used to play in the house

[00:11:04] Was like the Eagles

[00:11:06] And somehow why I asked about the genetic thing

[00:11:09] Is somehow I kind of do what they were doing now

[00:11:13] So I don't know where I got it from

[00:11:15] And I didn't know that there were musicians

[00:11:16] Until I was older

[00:11:18] So interesting, I find that really interesting

[00:11:22] I understand what you mean about

[00:11:24] Not wanting to play covers too

[00:11:26] But I have a thing I always say

[00:11:29] Is that I don't want to play covers

[00:11:31] Because I always, I think they sound like shit when I do them

[00:11:34] Yeah, I feel like they already exist

[00:11:36] And they're already so good

[00:11:37] And I just don't want to mess it up

[00:11:39] And I just want to make my own

[00:11:40] That's right

[00:11:41] And I love saying it's...

[00:11:43] I'll write my own songs

[00:11:44] Because nobody can play my songs better than me

[00:11:46] Exactly

[00:11:47] Right

[00:11:48] And who's going to tell me they sound

[00:11:49] Like you're playing them wrong?

[00:11:50] You're not

[00:11:51] There's one way to do it

[00:11:52] So has guitar always been the instrument?

[00:11:56] It has been, yeah

[00:11:57] I just always felt like it was

[00:11:58] Sort of like an extended limb on my body

[00:12:01] And I just started writing and writing

[00:12:03] And playing all this music

[00:12:05] But, you know, I was always so nervous

[00:12:08] Growing up to play in front of anybody

[00:12:09] I would just hide in my closet

[00:12:11] And just, well, I wrote this song

[00:12:14] But nobody can hear it

[00:12:15] Growing up in a house was such an eclectic

[00:12:19] Batch of music

[00:12:20] Like you said from Billy Holiday to Pantera

[00:12:24] When you started writing songs

[00:12:26] What would you best describe them as?

[00:12:29] I remember some of the first songs I wrote

[00:12:31] Sounded very, like, Spanish

[00:12:33] Because my dad was listening to a lot of Oscar Lopez

[00:12:36] I don't know if you know this guy

[00:12:37] But, uh, it's like flamenco guitar

[00:12:39] Kind of stuff

[00:12:40] I know the style

[00:12:41] I'd imagine what it would be, yeah

[00:12:44] Yeah

[00:12:45] And then after that I was kind of

[00:12:46] Like more folky, bluesy

[00:12:47] Kind of acoustic stuff

[00:12:49] Can you play flamenco guitar?

[00:12:51] Can you actually do that

[00:12:52] Kind of that picking and stuff?

[00:12:54] No

[00:12:55] That's pretty talented if you ever see

[00:12:57] Like those guys go and they're like

[00:12:58] Oh, yeah

[00:12:59] That's pretty crazy

[00:13:00] What's going on?

[00:13:01] You ever see the really big guitars?

[00:13:02] Like they do at the Murayachi weddings or whatever?

[00:13:04] Oh, yeah

[00:13:05] Anyway, it's cool

[00:13:06] I don't think I could do that

[00:13:07] Well maybe if I put a lot of time and effort into it

[00:13:09] Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's cool

[00:13:10] Very first song I ever wrote

[00:13:13] It was like two chords

[00:13:14] And it was called The Hallway of Love

[00:13:16] Do you remember the first song you wrote?

[00:13:18] It sounds so cheesy

[00:13:19] Do you remember the first song you wrote?

[00:13:21] Uh, yeah

[00:13:22] But it was like instrumental

[00:13:23] It didn't have any words

[00:13:24] Oh, wow

[00:13:25] Yeah, it was like these Spanish type songs

[00:13:27] Oh, okay

[00:13:28] So it was just the guitar

[00:13:30] Yeah

[00:13:31] And did you

[00:13:32] I guess you eventually started writing words

[00:13:34] I did, yeah

[00:13:35] Yeah

[00:13:37] I didn't really play a lot going through high school

[00:13:40] Because I had

[00:13:42] I had this boyfriend

[00:13:43] He like, forbidden me from playing guitar

[00:13:45] He's like, you have to pay attention to me

[00:13:47] You can't be doing this

[00:13:48] You can't be playing

[00:13:49] So I just was like, okay

[00:13:51] And I didn't really get into it until I was like

[00:13:54] Like late teens, early 20s

[00:13:56] Okay

[00:13:57] Okay

[00:13:59] That's cool

[00:14:00] I think we're all predetermined to do something

[00:14:03] And regardless of our surroundings

[00:14:06] We'll find what we

[00:14:09] Like what we are passionate about

[00:14:11] And we'll kind of just learn it

[00:14:13] Like I'm self-taught

[00:14:14] You're self-taught

[00:14:15] I'm self-taught, yeah

[00:14:16] Yeah, and I think that's the best way to do it

[00:14:17] I think you can always learn something from

[00:14:20] Like a teacher

[00:14:21] Like I'd love to go to a guitar teacher right now

[00:14:23] And just to see what I'm missing

[00:14:25] But I'm super comfortable with the level of my guitar playing

[00:14:28] I'm super comfortable with the level of my song writing

[00:14:31] So it's like if it's not broke, don't fix it type of thing

[00:14:34] I feel that too

[00:14:35] I'm comfortable but I mean it wouldn't hurt to go to some lessons

[00:14:38] And learn some more, get better techniques

[00:14:40] Yeah, I think so

[00:14:41] I see some of those guys that like who are like

[00:14:45] Their little finger is like as

[00:14:48] I don't know, I guess it's dexterity

[00:14:50] You ever see those metal guys

[00:14:51] They're like they're so calm and they do all that

[00:14:53] I wouldn't want to do that

[00:14:54] Like that's just not my thing anyway

[00:14:56] Yeah, same

[00:14:57] Anyway, so when you started

[00:15:01] Started playing out in the city

[00:15:03] Or playing with other people

[00:15:05] I did a little bit of research

[00:15:06] It's hard to find information on a local artist

[00:15:10] But like I said

[00:15:11] I'll find some bullet points

[00:15:13] And then I'll ask questions

[00:15:15] The first thing I could really see

[00:15:16] I went on your Instagram

[00:15:18] And I looked at your link tree

[00:15:21] And the first thing was

[00:15:23] Crystalina Paquette

[00:15:24] Crystalina Paquette, yes

[00:15:25] Cool

[00:15:26] How did that come about?

[00:15:28] So that was a sort of

[00:15:32] A pandemic project

[00:15:34] Because there was nothing going on

[00:15:35] Except for like virtual open mics

[00:15:37] Virtual festivals and so on

[00:15:40] So she, I've known her

[00:15:41] I met her at OpenMics I think in like 2017

[00:15:44] Or something like that

[00:15:45] And she just messaged me

[00:15:47] And was like hey do you want to do a set

[00:15:49] It was for Marvis

[00:15:51] Right

[00:15:52] So we got together

[00:15:53] We only rehearsed for like two weeks

[00:15:55] With this drummer named Robin

[00:15:58] Robin Simone

[00:15:59] Okay

[00:16:00] So it was a really nice female power duo

[00:16:03] So that was just kind of a short little thing

[00:16:05] It was just a short thing

[00:16:06] Like a one off almost

[00:16:07] Yeah, it was just a one off

[00:16:09] Yeah

[00:16:10] That wasn't the first thing

[00:16:11] You've done in the city though, was it?

[00:16:13] No, no, no

[00:16:14] That's the first thing I think on the link tree

[00:16:16] Okay well let's go back

[00:16:17] Let's like how did it all begin then

[00:16:19] So I came to a point where I was like

[00:16:22] I've written all these songs

[00:16:23] And I'm so nervous to play them

[00:16:25] And I just like why am I writing it

[00:16:27] If I'm not gonna

[00:16:28] If nobody's gonna hear it right

[00:16:29] So I made a promise like

[00:16:31] You know in the year 2017

[00:16:33] January I'm gonna start going to

[00:16:35] OpenMics

[00:16:36] And I'm just gonna play it

[00:16:38] And if people hate it

[00:16:39] They can you know throw exit me

[00:16:41] Or whatever they want

[00:16:42] I'm just gonna play my songs

[00:16:45] And so I just went

[00:16:47] And I just started performing my

[00:16:49] Open Mic

[00:16:50] My solo stuff

[00:16:52] And I just started meeting people

[00:16:53] The first person I met was

[00:16:55] His name is Jack Pyle

[00:16:56] Okay

[00:16:57] He's a multi-instrumentalist

[00:16:59] Okay

[00:17:00] Good to know

[00:17:01] He's probably like

[00:17:02] Yeah

[00:17:03] And he was about 30 years older than me

[00:17:05] Oh

[00:17:06] Seasoned

[00:17:07] Yeah, so I think he was like

[00:17:09] In his 60s

[00:17:10] All the power too

[00:17:11] Lots of experience

[00:17:12] Yeah

[00:17:13] And we just really got along

[00:17:14] And because my original stuff

[00:17:16] My solo stuff is very mixed genre

[00:17:19] It really worked with the

[00:17:21] Multi-instrumental

[00:17:22] Vibe

[00:17:25] Cool

[00:17:26] So I started doing that

[00:17:27] And you know do open mic features

[00:17:30] Small festivals like

[00:17:32] Porch Fest

[00:17:35] And just going to open mic

[00:17:36] I think I was going like

[00:17:37] Four times a week sometimes

[00:17:39] And from open mics

[00:17:41] How did you start collaborating

[00:17:44] With other bands and stuff

[00:17:47] Yeah

[00:17:48] So first it was

[00:17:50] The multi-instrumentalist

[00:17:52] And I did that for a couple years

[00:17:54] But while I was doing that

[00:17:56] I met Tiffany Shilke

[00:17:58] And together we formed

[00:18:00] Dark Desire

[00:18:01] Which started out as like

[00:18:02] Female rock duo

[00:18:05] Like very like 80s

[00:18:07] Very rock vibe

[00:18:10] That's cool

[00:18:11] And then I also met Rich at open mics

[00:18:14] And I asked him

[00:18:15] Hey do you want to be our bass player

[00:18:17] And on top of that we used to go to

[00:18:20] Rainbow open mic

[00:18:21] And the host was Kieran Howes

[00:18:23] Okay

[00:18:24] And we asked him

[00:18:25] Hey do you want to be our drummer

[00:18:26] So I met all of them at open mics

[00:18:28] And together we just formed

[00:18:30] An awesome band

[00:18:32] Cool

[00:18:33] And that was in 2017

[00:18:34] Dark Desire

[00:18:35] So let's talk about that more

[00:18:37] Together for five years

[00:18:39] You had mentioned off mic

[00:18:41] That that was a big project

[00:18:43] Or a big part of who you are now

[00:18:45] Yeah for sure like it was my first

[00:18:47] My first band

[00:18:49] I formed it with Tiffany

[00:18:51] We co-wrote everything

[00:18:53] Whether I wrote the guitar riffs

[00:18:56] She wrote the lyrics

[00:18:57] Or she wrote the guitar

[00:18:58] Or we wrote it together

[00:18:59] Like we just always collaborated

[00:19:01] On the songwriting process

[00:19:04] Yeah and I played a lot of my first shows

[00:19:07] With her and with that band

[00:19:09] We started off playing at like

[00:19:11] Basement house party shows

[00:19:13] Well yeah that's what you do

[00:19:15] So that was pretty cool

[00:19:17] And then we did like

[00:19:19] A lot of rainbow shows

[00:19:21] We did some burlesque shows

[00:19:23] Which were really fun

[00:19:25] Where we would half way through our set

[00:19:27] Just like strip down into

[00:19:29] Nipple tassels

[00:19:31] And even the guys would wear the nipple tassels too

[00:19:33] So

[00:19:34] House of Targ

[00:19:35] House of Targ

[00:19:36] Alright that sounds house of targ

[00:19:38] House of targ

[00:19:39] I think kinky lounge we did that

[00:19:41] Also rainbow

[00:19:42] That sounds fun

[00:19:43] Yeah so that was really fun

[00:19:45] And pretty out there

[00:19:46] 2017 so that you guys went strong

[00:19:49] For a couple years and then the old

[00:19:51] Pandemic kind of

[00:19:53] Yeah the pandemic hit

[00:19:54] And it just made it a lot harder

[00:19:56] To get together to

[00:19:58] I mean capital rehearsals was

[00:20:00] Like seven months I think

[00:20:01] So couldn't get together for rehearsals

[00:20:03] There was no

[00:20:06] Events happening

[00:20:07] No shows

[00:20:08] Right well that's the way it goes right

[00:20:10] So yeah how were the relations

[00:20:13] Through the like with the band members

[00:20:15] Through the pandemic today

[00:20:17] We all got kind of like more distant

[00:20:19] I guess and then our drummer

[00:20:21] He had a baby

[00:20:23] Oh yeah that happens

[00:20:25] Yeah so after seven months we got

[00:20:27] We all got together we had a rehearsal

[00:20:29] It was amazing it was like we never had

[00:20:31] A minute between us rehearsing

[00:20:35] And then so that first rehearsal

[00:20:37] Was actually our last

[00:20:40] Because he needed to leave

[00:20:41] Because of the baby right so

[00:20:43] Different responsibilities right

[00:20:45] I have a lot of friends that

[00:20:47] Music kind of was put on the shelf

[00:20:49] Understandably I guess

[00:20:50] If that's the choice you make

[00:20:51] But it's too bad

[00:20:53] Yeah it's too bad but

[00:20:54] It has to be done sometimes right

[00:20:56] So we had to look for a new drummer

[00:20:58] And we auditioned a couple

[00:21:00] And we picked Patrick Kuhn

[00:21:02] Who's a phenomenal drummer

[00:21:05] Cool

[00:21:06] So he joined us

[00:21:08] And then I think about six months later

[00:21:10] We broke up

[00:21:11] Oh yeah

[00:21:12] Yeah well

[00:21:13] We played one show though that was pretty awesome

[00:21:15] With the new drummer

[00:21:16] Yeah at Mavericks

[00:21:17] Oh at Mavericks right

[00:21:19] That bar is different now

[00:21:20] Oh yeah a lot different

[00:21:21] Did you want to talk about the breakup

[00:21:23] Is everything

[00:21:24] Yeah we just started clashing

[00:21:27] A lot and I think a lot of it was to do with the pandemic

[00:21:30] And just having so much on the back burner for so long

[00:21:33] It was like

[00:21:34] Gotta rush rush rush to do all that stuff

[00:21:36] But we can't do everything in one day

[00:21:39] Or one week

[00:21:40] Yeah well yeah it's just

[00:21:42] It's stifling right

[00:21:43] And priorities and if you have driven people

[00:21:45] And not so driven people

[00:21:46] I guess it would clash a bit

[00:21:48] Yeah it's really hard you know

[00:21:52] But how is everything now

[00:21:54] Oh it's pretty good

[00:21:55] Like we

[00:21:56] I mean we're not like as close as we once were

[00:21:58] Like with the whole

[00:21:59] Writing songs all the time performing

[00:22:01] But we get together here and there

[00:22:04] And it's always a good time

[00:22:05] Like laughs all around

[00:22:07] Reunion

[00:22:09] Reunion like a Dr. Zahar show

[00:22:12] Sure

[00:22:13] We did have one in 2022

[00:22:15] Okay

[00:22:16] After we broke up

[00:22:17] We performed at the Dom

[00:22:19] Okay

[00:22:20] So but I don't know maybe in the future

[00:22:23] Not sure

[00:22:25] That's cool

[00:22:26] Well you have a lot on the go to keep you busy anyway

[00:22:28] I do yeah

[00:22:29] So what about that era that 2017 to 22

[00:22:32] Transferred into who you are as an artist now

[00:22:35] Well it basically just for me

[00:22:37] Because it was my first band

[00:22:38] So I learned how to

[00:22:39] You know co-write with somebody

[00:22:41] How to work with other musicians

[00:22:43] To make the comments

[00:22:45] Like the common goal of having this

[00:22:47] The song sound the best

[00:22:49] I learned the ropes of performing

[00:22:51] And getting shows and meeting people

[00:22:54] I think interband interactions

[00:22:58] And relationships too

[00:22:59] You have to learn how to do that sometimes too

[00:23:02] Because it's not always fun and games

[00:23:04] Like sometimes it's a lot of work

[00:23:06] And sometimes there's tensions and that

[00:23:08] So I think everyone's been in bands

[00:23:10] That have had that kind of strain

[00:23:12] And stress on top of the music

[00:23:15] And I think down the road

[00:23:16] You'll learn how to avoid it

[00:23:17] Or learn how to deal with it

[00:23:18] And then once you know what

[00:23:19] You'll find yourself one day

[00:23:20] You're in a band where everything's going great

[00:23:22] And that's something you take from that too

[00:23:24] So I get it

[00:23:25] But I think being in a band

[00:23:27] Is like being in a relationship

[00:23:29] Yeah you're in a relationship with like four people

[00:23:31] And it all has to be like

[00:23:33] Everyone has to be on the same page

[00:23:35] Same page, common goal

[00:23:37] Yeah exactly so

[00:23:38] You know and sometimes if those things don't align

[00:23:40] That's when the arguments

[00:23:42] And then it's like oh

[00:23:43] Big fights or something

[00:23:45] So not good

[00:23:46] When one comes in and says he wants

[00:23:48] Now I want to turn us into a rap project

[00:23:51] Every song needs ukulele overdubbed

[00:23:54] Exactly right

[00:23:55] And you're like

[00:23:56] No

[00:23:57] What do you mean no

[00:23:58] Yeah that's the problem

[00:24:00] But that's good

[00:24:01] And yeah we all learn from stuff like that

[00:24:04] And it's like I say

[00:24:05] It's made you a better musician

[00:24:07] It's made you a better band member

[00:24:09] It's probably made you a better person

[00:24:10] Yeah for sure

[00:24:11] Growth is what they call it

[00:24:12] Growth

[00:24:13] We as a band you go through so much together

[00:24:15] And you just have to get through it

[00:24:17] I like it

[00:24:18] So why don't we play a Dark Desire song

[00:24:20] Yeah sure

[00:24:21] Alright

[00:24:22] You heard it that's Kansy introducing

[00:24:24] Dark Desire

[00:24:25] This is Eagle and Vice

[00:24:57] Love will never free me

[00:25:01] Out of the name of Kansy

[00:25:05] Sent me to the frequency

[00:25:07] And it's whining in the cheese

[00:25:09] Changed me up like a bolt of electricity

[00:25:13] I could light shines every time I ask me

[00:25:17] So we'll use that snapback to reality

[00:25:20] It's not enough to wander about the coast

[00:25:24] It's not enough to dig into these clothes

[00:25:28] It's not enough to give it to me in time

[00:25:32] Cause I can't get another home

[00:25:38] You're far rather misled, flipping rough

[00:25:42] Satisfied, the ties still never enough

[00:25:46] You're far rather misled, flipping rough

[00:25:49] Satisfied, the ties still never enough

[00:25:54] Free and love

[00:25:56] Touches on the net, bodies in a twine

[00:26:29] Touches that make me

[00:26:33] Forget about the time

[00:26:37] Love will never free me

[00:26:40] Out of the name of Kansy

[00:26:44] Sent me to the frequency

[00:26:46] And it's whining in the cheese

[00:26:48] Changed me up like a bolt of battery

[00:26:52] That's the line every time I ask me

[00:26:56] So we'll use that snapback to reality

[00:26:59] It's not enough to wander about the coast

[00:27:03] It's not enough to dig into these clothes

[00:27:07] It's not enough to give it to me in time

[00:27:11] Cause I can't get another home

[00:27:14] You're far rather misled, flipping rough

[00:27:18] Satisfied

[00:28:29] After the band break up, I didn't have a project anymore

[00:28:34] One day, Sandy reached out to me

[00:28:37] He's like, hey, do you want to jam and sing harmonies

[00:28:40] Play guitar, maybe do some shows

[00:28:43] Twist my arm

[00:28:44] That doesn't sound fun at all

[00:28:46] Cause his band also had a break up too

[00:28:49] He used to be a two piece

[00:28:52] So he needed to find someone who could do the harmonies

[00:28:55] Did you join the band right away?

[00:28:57] You were just helping out

[00:28:59] Pretty much

[00:29:01] I started listening to all the Spotify songs

[00:29:04] And learning all the chords

[00:29:07] And the harmony parts

[00:29:09] We'd get together and just the two of us

[00:29:11] And we'd play them

[00:29:15] We'd go with James

[00:29:17] To have full band practices

[00:29:21] It took me maybe four months to learn everything

[00:29:23] So I needed a bit of time

[00:29:25] So I think he asked me in May 2022

[00:29:28] But I didn't play till October 2022

[00:29:32] Well, you got to prep

[00:29:34] I wanted to be ready for this

[00:29:37] Our first show was actually Halloween night

[00:29:39] Did you dress up?

[00:29:41] I dressed up as a slightly more gothic version of myself

[00:29:44] With cat ears

[00:29:46] And a skull necklace

[00:29:48] Where was the show?

[00:29:49] The show was at Club Saw

[00:29:51] Okay, cool

[00:29:55] With a lot of writing from that band

[00:29:59] This is where I started getting into

[00:30:02] The singles and the songs and stuff

[00:30:05] Sandy has a lot of stuff out from earlier on

[00:30:08] But when did you...

[00:30:10] What part of the recording?

[00:30:12] I think there's been a few singles out in 2024 now

[00:30:16] How far back does your actual recording with them go?

[00:30:21] What was the first song that was released with me?

[00:30:24] I think it was Libra Season

[00:30:26] Libra Season

[00:30:27] Okay, yeah

[00:30:28] Because I have here...

[00:30:29] I was looking back through just the social media stuff

[00:30:31] Like Snow Day, Morning Talk

[00:30:33] Yeah, I wasn't involved with that

[00:30:35] Libra Season

[00:30:36] I was in the project at that time, I believe

[00:30:38] But I didn't have any part of the recording

[00:30:41] Okay, so your first recorded thing was Libra Season

[00:30:44] There you go, folks

[00:30:45] Now you can go back and listen

[00:30:46] I believe so

[00:30:47] Hopefully that's right

[00:30:49] And Ghost in the Machine is the latest?

[00:30:51] That's the latest one

[00:30:52] The one that came out?

[00:30:53] Yeah, just a few days ago

[00:30:54] Or I guess it was last week now

[00:30:57] Recently, yeah

[00:30:58] I remember it

[00:30:59] I saw it kind of pop up

[00:31:00] Yeah, exactly

[00:31:01] That's cool

[00:31:02] And Sandy does...

[00:31:03] You guys do your own recording

[00:31:04] You do it yourselves, right?

[00:31:05] Yeah

[00:31:06] How does that process work for you?

[00:31:07] Good?

[00:31:08] So Sandy does all the main...

[00:31:10] His vocals, his guitars

[00:31:13] James sends in the drum tracks

[00:31:16] And then we'll get together and I'll just...

[00:31:18] I'll add my harmonies in my parts

[00:31:20] Yeah

[00:31:21] We usually go to capital rehearsals to do that

[00:31:23] At my studio

[00:31:24] Yeah, because he's portable too, right?

[00:31:26] Sandy can move around his stuff

[00:31:28] Yeah, he just brings a laptop

[00:31:30] Yeah, it's amazing

[00:31:31] It's amazing what you can do nowadays

[00:31:33] Totally

[00:31:34] I actually, believe it or not, just off topic

[00:31:37] I can pack all this up and go remote

[00:31:40] If I needed to do a remote podcast

[00:31:42] I just don't like doing it

[00:31:43] Yeah, you're like, I want to be

[00:31:45] In my studio

[00:31:46] I'd rather sit right here

[00:31:47] I'd rather sit right here

[00:31:48] Anyway, so, teenage fiction has been going strong

[00:31:51] How's the summer look?

[00:31:54] How's 2024?

[00:31:55] You're dropping singles, everything's going

[00:31:57] You got shows lined up

[00:31:58] Yeah, there's some shows coming up

[00:32:00] Like June 7th at the Rainbow

[00:32:02] Will be the EP release

[00:32:03] And there's some more coming up too as well

[00:32:06] Cool, cool

[00:32:07] And more singles will be coming out

[00:32:09] Throughout the year

[00:32:10] So how has it been

[00:32:13] Being in the Teenage Fiction Project

[00:32:15] How is it different from Dark Desire?

[00:32:17] Oh, it's great

[00:32:18] It helped me to develop a whole new set of skills

[00:32:22] Because what I'm used to is

[00:32:25] I'm used to writing my own music

[00:32:26] My own lyrics

[00:32:27] My own harmonies and so on

[00:32:30] But this is different because

[00:32:31] I have to learn his songs

[00:32:34] And play it like how he wants it

[00:32:36] And everything

[00:32:37] As a creative person myself

[00:32:39] I've been in...

[00:32:40] While I still have a project called Goat

[00:32:42] And that's been together for 12 years now

[00:32:45] It's been a full band

[00:32:47] It's been not a full band

[00:32:48] It's been an acoustic show

[00:32:50] But it's been just a recording project

[00:32:52] But I've always been the guy who wrote everything

[00:32:55] Set everything up

[00:32:56] Did all the social media, blah blah blah

[00:32:58] And then my other band called the Riptides

[00:33:00] I basically just play guitar

[00:33:02] Yeah, that's kind of like me too

[00:33:04] It's a lovely refreshing change

[00:33:06] And I get to just go have the fun

[00:33:08] Yeah

[00:33:09] You know, and play good music

[00:33:11] Yeah

[00:33:12] You wanted to write all the songs, it's great

[00:33:14] Because they're great songs

[00:33:15] So you go do that

[00:33:16] And you just let me know where I need to be

[00:33:18] Yeah, and you just add what you think should be added

[00:33:21] And if not...

[00:33:23] I think that's an important thing too

[00:33:25] If you're going to be in multiple projects

[00:33:27] You should wear different hats in each of them

[00:33:29] Because if you're the boss of all of them

[00:33:31] Oh, it would probably drain you

[00:33:32] Yeah, it'd be exhausting

[00:33:33] And it would probably lose the fun

[00:33:35] Because then it would just be three different stresses

[00:33:37] That would just be one big ball of stress

[00:33:39] Yeah

[00:33:40] I don't imagine teenage fiction is that much stress

[00:33:44] Because Sandy seems like a pretty chill dude

[00:33:47] Yeah, I don't think there's any stress

[00:33:49] Or very little stress

[00:33:51] Yeah, and the best thing about playing music

[00:33:54] Is if you find the right people to play with

[00:33:56] That aren't, you know, jerks

[00:33:59] Or prima donnas or ego

[00:34:01] Yeah, stuff like that

[00:34:03] If it's just people on the same path

[00:34:05] Just saying let's make music and have a good thing

[00:34:07] Let's do some shows, have some fun

[00:34:09] Right, when Sandy was here

[00:34:11] You didn't have a bass player

[00:34:14] Oh yeah

[00:34:15] So you have a new bass player

[00:34:16] We have a new bass player, Maggie

[00:34:17] Oh great, how is that working out?

[00:34:19] Oh it's great

[00:34:20] I love having another girl in the band

[00:34:23] From my perspective

[00:34:25] And she's really fun to have

[00:34:27] She holds down the bass lines

[00:34:29] Because before Sandy was splitting his signals

[00:34:32] So he was like

[00:34:34] He had the bass sound and the guitar sound

[00:34:36] Yeah, okay, I gotcha

[00:34:37] So now he can do other things like more lead and whatnot

[00:34:40] With her there, so it's fun

[00:34:42] It's good

[00:34:43] Yeah, well I think they had a bass player

[00:34:47] But he couldn't say the name at that point

[00:34:49] He's like maybe we have a bass player

[00:34:52] Yeah, she joined and like I think it was

[00:34:54] She started rehearsing in I think September of last year

[00:34:57] And I was kind of nodding, I was like

[00:35:01] I don't think he picked up on it

[00:35:03] He already had a bass player anyway

[00:35:06] So that's cool

[00:35:07] And yeah, I'm excited

[00:35:08] I want to check you guys out

[00:35:12] This summer at some point

[00:35:14] I try and keep my eye on the local scene

[00:35:16] To see who's playing

[00:35:17] And if it fits into my social kind of

[00:35:22] Anxieties, I might make it out

[00:35:24] You never know

[00:35:25] Yeah, do you do any touring with

[00:35:28] Have you ever done any touring?

[00:35:30] No, I have not

[00:35:31] I've done a couple of out of town shows

[00:35:35] Okay

[00:35:36] Cool

[00:35:37] Yeah, I think the beauty of Ottawa right now

[00:35:41] Is that there's tons of places to play

[00:35:43] And people come see the shows

[00:35:45] And it's always fun to get out of town

[00:35:48] The beauty of Ottawa too is because

[00:35:50] We're surrounded by like there's Toronto

[00:35:52] There's Kingston, there's Montreal

[00:35:54] Even Cornwall has gigs or has venues

[00:35:57] So you can kind of do mini tours

[00:35:59] Around your whole area

[00:36:00] You don't have to travel all the way to the west coast

[00:36:02] Or into the states and stuff

[00:36:04] You can scratch the itch of playing live

[00:36:06] And still have great shows within the Ottawa

[00:36:08] Within the city, so it's pretty cool

[00:36:10] Very very very cool

[00:36:11] Not like back in the old days

[00:36:13] Well, it's always going to be that way in music

[00:36:15] Where you got a tour to some extent

[00:36:18] Or experience it to some extent

[00:36:20] Yeah, I hope I'll experience it at some point

[00:36:23] I'm sure I will

[00:36:24] Yeah, yeah

[00:36:25] I find that the older I get though

[00:36:27] Is the sleeping in the back of a van

[00:36:30] Gets less and less attractive

[00:36:33] You know what I mean?

[00:36:34] When I was younger it was like

[00:36:35] Woo, hey, I was sleeping in the dirt

[00:36:37] I don't give a shit, right?

[00:36:38] Yeah, exactly

[00:36:39] We did one show in Toronto

[00:36:40] And I slept on just like the floor

[00:36:42] The bare floor

[00:36:43] Yeah, yeah, it happens, right?

[00:36:45] That's comfy though

[00:36:46] Yeah

[00:36:47] You're there for the reason

[00:36:49] You're there for the cause

[00:36:50] You're living the dream, right?

[00:36:51] Exactly

[00:36:52] I'm in a different city playing music

[00:36:53] I'll sleep wherever I, you know

[00:36:54] Wherever you need to

[00:36:55] Yeah, that's cool

[00:36:56] In the chair, on the ground

[00:36:57] Very, very cool

[00:36:58] Yeah, teenage fiction, awesome band

[00:37:00] Super excited for the future of that

[00:37:03] Me too

[00:37:05] You are in another project called

[00:37:08] Casual Tragedies

[00:37:09] I am

[00:37:10] Which we kind of touched on

[00:37:11] And you're in the same project

[00:37:13] Those two projects at the same time

[00:37:15] Yes, I am

[00:37:16] But casual tragedies is kind of

[00:37:19] Jumping forward from dark desires

[00:37:22] Because without dark desires

[00:37:24] There would be no

[00:37:25] Casual tragedies

[00:37:26] Casual tragedies

[00:37:27] So how did that all come about?

[00:37:30] And how is being so busy?

[00:37:33] Like how does it all work together?

[00:37:35] So dark desire, or sorry

[00:37:37] Casual tragedies form

[00:37:39] Because dark desire we split up in

[00:37:41] January 2022

[00:37:44] After we split up

[00:37:46] We messaged our drummer

[00:37:48] And we're like, well

[00:37:49] We don't really have any problems

[00:37:51] So do you want to keep jamming?

[00:37:53] And he said, yes

[00:37:54] So the three of us kept jamming

[00:37:56] Probably for almost a year

[00:38:00] And then we added our

[00:38:03] We wrote all new material together

[00:38:06] We demoed it

[00:38:08] And then we asked a friend, Sean McKinley

[00:38:10] To join us on lead guitar

[00:38:13] So he joined us

[00:38:17] And then we're like, hey

[00:38:18] We need a vocalist

[00:38:19] So we started searching for a vocalist

[00:38:22] But for a long time

[00:38:23] It was just the three of us

[00:38:24] And then we were a four piece

[00:38:27] Just working on new songs

[00:38:29] New demos

[00:38:31] Now from what I know

[00:38:33] Casual tragedies

[00:38:34] Because Rich was in

[00:38:35] So I'm just going to get

[00:38:36] Your spin on it too

[00:38:37] Yeah, sure

[00:38:38] Is that you guys were jamming

[00:38:39] And you found a singer

[00:38:40] And your name was Alex

[00:38:41] Yes

[00:38:43] I was searching through Bandmix

[00:38:45] And the second I saw her photo

[00:38:48] And heard her music

[00:38:49] From her last band

[00:38:51] I was like, she's the one for us

[00:38:52] We need to get her in our band

[00:38:55] And so I reached out to her

[00:38:58] She seemed very excited and interested

[00:39:01] And then just no response

[00:39:03] For like a long time

[00:39:05] And I kind of like lost

[00:39:06] Her contact information

[00:39:08] And then I think

[00:39:10] At that point Sean had joined us

[00:39:12] He was adding all of his lead parts

[00:39:15] His riffs

[00:39:16] We were getting a nice foundation formed

[00:39:21] And then our drummer

[00:39:23] Had a health scare

[00:39:25] So he was gone for six months

[00:39:28] So just the three of us

[00:39:30] Were now together

[00:39:31] So we got together every week

[00:39:33] We were recording demos

[00:39:35] Working out ideas

[00:39:36] Rehearsing

[00:39:40] And then the six months passed

[00:39:42] Our drummer came back

[00:39:44] We started getting back together

[00:39:46] And rehearsing every week again

[00:39:47] Getting the strength

[00:39:49] And we're like, okay

[00:39:50] Now we can start looking again

[00:39:52] For the singer

[00:39:53] So we reached it to some people

[00:39:55] And everyone fell through

[00:39:57] They would be like, oh yeah

[00:39:58] I'm so interested

[00:39:59] Then they would just not show up

[00:40:00] Weird

[00:40:01] Yeah

[00:40:02] What a missed opportunity

[00:40:03] Exactly

[00:40:04] And so I just decided

[00:40:05] Okay, you know what

[00:40:06] I'm gonna reach out to Alex again

[00:40:07] And just kind of keep bugging her

[00:40:09] So I kept bugging her

[00:40:10] I found her on Instagram

[00:40:12] And I reached out

[00:40:13] And I think we decided on a day

[00:40:16] And then I guess she had broken her leg

[00:40:18] A few months prior

[00:40:19] And yeah

[00:40:20] So casual tragedies

[00:40:22] Yeah, that's right

[00:40:23] So the day that we were supposed to rehearse

[00:40:25] She got her cast off

[00:40:26] And she was walking around a lot at work

[00:40:28] So she couldn't make it

[00:40:30] And then so we're like, okay

[00:40:32] Next week, next week

[00:40:33] And I just kept getting put off

[00:40:37] And then finally one day

[00:40:38] She joined us

[00:40:40] And we finally had a rehearsal after

[00:40:42] I think a year

[00:40:43] I had to go

[00:40:44] It was unreal

[00:40:46] Love at first sight

[00:40:47] I thought

[00:40:48] I think I may have shredded tea at the end

[00:40:49] Wow

[00:40:50] Yeah

[00:40:51] I caught the show

[00:40:53] The casual tragedy show at SAW

[00:40:56] And yeah, she's a powerhouse

[00:40:59] Beautiful voice

[00:41:01] Yeah

[00:41:02] Great stage energy

[00:41:04] Look like a natural

[00:41:06] She is unreal

[00:41:07] Like in every way

[00:41:08] She's the most kind

[00:41:10] Kind soul

[00:41:11] Great musician

[00:41:12] Now you guys weren't supposed to play

[00:41:14] That show though

[00:41:15] We weren't supposed to play that show

[00:41:16] Because we've been sort of like

[00:41:18] We were trying to like

[00:41:19] You know, get our stuff together

[00:41:21] To launch our social media

[00:41:23] To be able to

[00:41:25] Get to the point of playing a show

[00:41:27] And then I think it was

[00:41:29] Like at the beginning of March

[00:41:31] Or mid-March

[00:41:33] Alex came to our rehearsal

[00:41:35] And she was like

[00:41:36] Visibly very upset

[00:41:37] And she's like, guys

[00:41:38] We need to sit down

[00:41:40] She started crying

[00:41:42] And explaining to us

[00:41:44] That she needs to leave the country

[00:41:46] In like two to three weeks

[00:41:48] That's abrupt and sudden

[00:41:50] So sudden

[00:41:51] And we were all crying

[00:41:52] And hugging each other

[00:41:53] And like, no, how can this be?

[00:41:54] Like we're just getting started

[00:41:56] Like we had just started

[00:41:58] The recording process

[00:41:59] Like a month or two prior

[00:42:01] So we were working on like three songs

[00:42:04] And yeah, so she was like

[00:42:05] Yeah, I'm leaving in like two to three weeks

[00:42:09] That's

[00:42:10] Yeah, that's hard

[00:42:11] Right, because you find the perfect singer

[00:42:13] It's like another casual tragedy happens

[00:42:15] Another casual tragedy

[00:42:16] But it's nothing horrible

[00:42:18] Like she had to go for personal reasons

[00:42:20] And stuff like that

[00:42:21] So it wasn't terrible

[00:42:22] So I guess from what Rich told me

[00:42:24] Was that

[00:42:26] You weren't supposed to play that show

[00:42:28] At SAW

[00:42:30] And the positive charge CD release

[00:42:32] Or CD, record release party

[00:42:35] But another band that was on the card

[00:42:37] The Tenon Bombs

[00:42:38] Who were set up for there

[00:42:40] They had to drop out

[00:42:41] They did

[00:42:42] So you saw the band

[00:42:45] Casual Tragedies they saw an opportunity

[00:42:47] Yeah, so the night that we

[00:42:49] She told us, okay, I'm leaving in two weeks

[00:42:51] We were talking over a messenger after

[00:42:53] Like hey, it'd be really cool

[00:42:54] If we could like try to get on a show somehow

[00:42:56] Like it might not happen

[00:42:57] That's like really soon

[00:42:59] But like hopefully we could try

[00:43:02] At least we'll have one show with Alex

[00:43:04] As a band

[00:43:05] And then the next day

[00:43:06] We get a call like from the Tenon Bombs

[00:43:08] Like hey, we need to drop out

[00:43:10] And we're like this is our opportunity

[00:43:12] Like the star started to align for us

[00:43:14] Fate, it's fate

[00:43:15] Yeah, so it was like the worst news

[00:43:17] And then like a bunch of good news after

[00:43:19] Yeah

[00:43:21] So there's, yeah not a joke

[00:43:24] But it's truly said

[00:43:25] That could have been your first and last show

[00:43:27] With that lineup anyway

[00:43:28] Yeah

[00:43:29] Possibly

[00:43:30] And the future is uncertain with us

[00:43:32] I guess Alex is gone now

[00:43:34] She's gone, yeah she was gone

[00:43:36] By like the end of March

[00:43:38] So that's rough

[00:43:40] Has the band kept like rehearsing

[00:43:44] And jamming and stuff?

[00:43:45] Yeah, so we're trying to finish up

[00:43:47] The three songs that we started to record with her

[00:43:50] And we have like we had eight songs in total

[00:43:53] With Alex

[00:43:54] That we want to start working on too

[00:43:56] But we're just going to finish

[00:43:58] Like the three that we were already working on

[00:44:01] The vocals are done with that one?

[00:44:03] Yeah, mostly

[00:44:05] I know for at least one song they are

[00:44:07] We actually shot a music video before she left

[00:44:09] Cool

[00:44:11] So in those two weeks

[00:44:13] We had a show

[00:44:15] Hired a photographer like the day before the show

[00:44:20] Planned an entire music video set

[00:44:23] Hired a videographer

[00:44:25] Found a studio

[00:44:26] And shot the music video

[00:44:28] Crazy

[00:44:29] In two week period

[00:44:32] For the other songs that are to be recorded

[00:44:35] Any chance she could just do it remotely

[00:44:37] Just to finish the project

[00:44:39] We've talked about this

[00:44:40] She has everything at home

[00:44:41] That she needs to just record that

[00:44:44] Yeah, that's the beauty of modern technology

[00:44:47] You can make a record

[00:44:48] You don't even need to be in the same world

[00:44:50] And you can release it

[00:44:52] Would be awesome to play live gigs

[00:44:54] But if the music is great

[00:44:56] And her voice is so perfect

[00:44:58] For the music you've made

[00:44:59] There's no reason why it can't be

[00:45:01] Still released as just a recording project

[00:45:04] Or something

[00:45:05] Just to get it out there

[00:45:06] I know that right now

[00:45:08] We are definitely going to be recording

[00:45:10] We definitely get together every week

[00:45:12] We rehearse

[00:45:13] We've been editing our music together

[00:45:17] But the future is uncertain

[00:45:18] In terms of live shows

[00:45:21] Because we don't have a vocalist

[00:45:23] It's like we do

[00:45:24] But she's not in our city

[00:45:25] So we're kind of in a limbo right now

[00:45:28] And she's in Texas, right?

[00:45:29] Austin, Texas

[00:45:30] Austin, Texas

[00:45:31] I've been there

[00:45:32] It's lovely

[00:45:33] With technology, you can still make music

[00:45:36] Live shows, maybe not so much

[00:45:38] But who knows

[00:45:39] When someone visits or comes into town

[00:45:41] Or something like that

[00:45:42] Why not?

[00:45:43] Yeah, I'm hopeful

[00:45:44] I know it's all going to work out

[00:45:45] And it's still going to be awesome

[00:45:47] I think that's it for the bands right now, right?

[00:45:49] Okay

[00:45:50] And you're an artist

[00:45:51] A visual artist

[00:45:52] I am

[00:45:53] I do a lot of paintings

[00:45:56] I've been recently getting into

[00:45:58] Printmaking

[00:46:01] Also film photography

[00:46:02] Cool

[00:46:03] So that's all over the map

[00:46:06] What does the future hold?

[00:46:07] What do you want to do with music?

[00:46:08] What do you want to do with art?

[00:46:09] What do you want to do with your life?

[00:46:11] I just want to keep doing what I've been doing

[00:46:13] But maybe just more full time

[00:46:16] It would be nice to just

[00:46:18] Be at home and always recording music

[00:46:21] Always just be active

[00:46:23] In something to do with a show

[00:46:24] Or a recording

[00:46:25] Or maybe have an art show

[00:46:27] Or something in the future

[00:46:28] Amazing

[00:46:29] Definitely, I want to have lots of music release

[00:46:31] In the future as well

[00:46:33] I definitely think you should release

[00:46:35] The looping sessions

[00:46:37] Yeah, it's actually a side project

[00:46:39] It's called Scrantel

[00:46:40] Scrantel

[00:46:41] Yeah, and it's actually a rich Chris

[00:46:43] Is the drummer of that

[00:46:44] Of course he is

[00:46:45] It was like a side project

[00:46:47] That we were doing during the pandemic

[00:46:48] Okay, is there anything else

[00:46:50] You'd like to touch on

[00:46:52] Or anything you feel

[00:46:54] That's important that you wanted to say

[00:46:58] Any shout outs to anybody?

[00:47:00] Oh, shout outs to all humans

[00:47:02] All humans

[00:47:03] Is that a band?

[00:47:05] Shout out to anyone who's ever helped me

[00:47:08] Or helped me get to where I am now

[00:47:11] Cool, alright

[00:47:13] I have a game that I play at the end of every podcast

[00:47:16] It's just like a question

[00:47:18] Like a rapid fire question game

[00:47:19] Yeah

[00:47:20] I usually ask consent

[00:47:21] Are you good for the rapid fire question

[00:47:23] Sure

[00:47:24] Okay, no

[00:47:25] I'm just kidding

[00:47:26] It usually scares people

[00:47:27] I'm scared right now

[00:47:28] They're super innocent

[00:47:29] There we go

[00:47:30] Time for 13 questions with the band

[00:47:32] Yes, this segment's back again

[00:47:34] It's called 13 questions

[00:47:36] But I only asked six

[00:47:37] Maybe five

[00:47:38] Okay, it's time again for 13 questions

[00:47:41] With the band

[00:47:42] And as I always say

[00:47:43] I have 13 questions

[00:47:44] I don't ask 13 questions

[00:47:46] I ask from the 13 questions

[00:47:48] You can answer rapidly

[00:47:50] Or you can um

[00:47:55] Take my time

[00:47:56] Take your time

[00:47:57] Take your time finding the word

[00:47:59] Alright

[00:48:00] So this is 13 questions with the band

[00:48:02] With Kenzie

[00:48:04] Okay

[00:48:05] What was the first CD, tape or record

[00:48:08] You bought with your own money

[00:48:10] With my own money?

[00:48:12] I don't remember

[00:48:13] I remember my first cassette

[00:48:15] Was the police

[00:48:16] Or maybe Rage Against the Machine

[00:48:18] Cool, police

[00:48:19] Yeah, I had a

[00:48:20] I had a greatest hits

[00:48:22] Cassette of the police

[00:48:23] Nice

[00:48:24] Crazy

[00:48:25] That's good shit

[00:48:26] Okay

[00:48:27] Um, what would be your desert island record

[00:48:30] If you got stuck on a desert island

[00:48:32] For ten years

[00:48:33] And you only had one record to bring

[00:48:37] With you

[00:48:38] Oh, that's so hard

[00:48:39] Yeah

[00:48:40] Uh, maybe

[00:48:42] Piece of Mind by Iron Maiden

[00:48:44] Nice

[00:48:45] Yeah

[00:48:46] I respect that

[00:48:48] Uh, what was the first concert you ever saw

[00:48:51] First concert that I remember

[00:48:54] Was

[00:48:55] Probably the MMVAs in 2014

[00:48:58] Or 2004

[00:48:59] MM, what's the

[00:49:01] The Mudge Music Video Award

[00:49:02] Oh, the Mudge Music

[00:49:03] I felt like Sam 41

[00:49:05] Billy Talent

[00:49:07] Evanescence

[00:49:08] All these bands

[00:49:09] That's cool, that's a big deal

[00:49:11] Yeah, it was huge

[00:49:12] It's funny, is Mudge Music still a thing?

[00:49:14] I don't know

[00:49:15] Maybe

[00:49:16] I miss Ed the Sock though

[00:49:18] Yeah, yeah, right

[00:49:19] It was a miserable curmudgeon

[00:49:20] Totally miserable sock

[00:49:22] Um, yeah, much music

[00:49:24] That was the thing for a long time, right?

[00:49:26] It was like, Canadian, Canada's MTV

[00:49:28] Yeah

[00:49:29] Wow, you sang much music

[00:49:30] It kind of blew my mind a little bit

[00:49:31] Because I had forgotten about much music

[00:49:33] Anyway

[00:49:34] Thing of the past

[00:49:35] Yeah

[00:49:36] Okay, let me see

[00:49:37] Next question

[00:49:42] If you had a time machine

[00:49:44] And you could go back in time

[00:49:46] To any musical event

[00:49:49] What would it be?

[00:49:51] Hmm, maybe like Woodstock?

[00:49:55] Which one?

[00:49:57] Not 99

[00:49:58] Yeah

[00:50:00] I think the guys from, you know the band FIF?

[00:50:02] Yes

[00:50:03] They wanted to go back to Woodstock 99

[00:50:05] Really?

[00:50:06] Yeah, for when Limpiskit like caused the

[00:50:07] Oh, break shit

[00:50:08] Cause of the riots

[00:50:09] Or the fire, like

[00:50:11] Yeah, yeah

[00:50:12] Fires everywhere

[00:50:13] Right, yeah, that sounds awful

[00:50:15] Anyway

[00:50:16] So, with the original Woodstock?

[00:50:18] Yeah

[00:50:19] Yeah, that's cool

[00:50:20] I'd probably go back there

[00:50:22] Maybe Woodstock 94 as well

[00:50:24] Maybe

[00:50:25] Maybe, okay

[00:50:28] If you, as in a band

[00:50:31] Or as a solo artist

[00:50:33] Could open for any artist

[00:50:36] At a show

[00:50:37] Who would it be?

[00:50:42] With a band maybe like

[00:50:45] I really like this band Villain from Toronto

[00:50:48] Maybe them

[00:50:50] Open for them?

[00:50:51] Yeah

[00:50:52] Okay

[00:50:53] Very good

[00:50:54] It's like 80s metal but like modern

[00:50:56] Cool

[00:50:57] Villain

[00:50:58] Everybody

[00:50:59] Check out Villain

[00:51:00] So good, so good

[00:51:02] What is your favorite song today?

[00:51:05] Oh

[00:51:06] Impossible to answer

[00:51:12] I really like Radiohead

[00:51:13] So like all their songs

[00:51:15] Okay

[00:51:16] Very good

[00:51:18] Let's see

[00:51:19] What else we got here

[00:51:23] If you could have

[00:51:25] A drink or a meal

[00:51:27] With any artist or anybody

[00:51:30] Live or dead

[00:51:31] Who would it be?

[00:51:33] Does it have to be a music artist?

[00:51:35] It can be anything you want

[00:51:36] Okay, Natasha Lyon

[00:51:38] Natasha Lyon

[00:51:39] She's an actor like on

[00:51:43] Orange is a New Black

[00:51:44] Or

[00:51:45] Oh yeah

[00:51:46] Russian Doll

[00:51:47] Yeah, I like

[00:51:48] She's like that

[00:51:49] Yeah, yeah, yeah

[00:51:50] No, she's cool

[00:51:51] I watched Russian Doll

[00:51:52] That was really good

[00:51:53] Yeah, she's like my favorite person ever

[00:51:54] I was hoping they'd make a sequel to that

[00:51:56] Or another series on that

[00:51:57] That was good

[00:51:58] I think they will

[00:51:59] A third season

[00:52:00] Yeah, she was good

[00:52:01] What was her name in Orange is a New Black?

[00:52:02] Nikki Nichols

[00:52:03] Nikki, yeah

[00:52:04] Yeah, that's good

[00:52:05] Okay

[00:52:07] Next question

[00:52:08] I only have a couple more for you

[00:52:09] Um

[00:52:12] People have music

[00:52:14] Or people have I Was There moments

[00:52:16] Like say Woodstock 99

[00:52:19] With the riot

[00:52:20] Like we talked about

[00:52:21] Yeah

[00:52:22] What is your music

[00:52:23] I Was There moment

[00:52:24] Like something that you hold

[00:52:27] Like I'll never forget that

[00:52:30] One thing that comes to mind is

[00:52:32] Queen to the Stone Age concert

[00:52:35] Like after the show

[00:52:36] He like the band walked off

[00:52:38] And then they came out

[00:52:40] For the encore

[00:52:41] And just it was just Josh

[00:52:42] Playing vampire of time and memory

[00:52:45] On piano

[00:52:47] And that was really special

[00:52:48] Like I got I had chills the entire time

[00:52:50] Awesome

[00:52:52] Okay, that's good

[00:52:53] Last question

[00:52:54] Who is Mackenzie Drew?

[00:53:04] I'm just a girl

[00:53:07] Who likes a lot of visual arts and music

[00:53:10] And to just make the most of life

[00:53:14] To enjoy nature, to enjoy

[00:53:17] The arts

[00:53:19] To enjoy connections with people

[00:53:21] But I meet

[00:53:22] Yeah

[00:53:26] That's words to live by

[00:53:27] Words to live by

[00:53:29] Wise words to live by

[00:53:30] And if we could all do that

[00:53:32] The world would be a better place

[00:53:33] Yeah, just enjoy your life

[00:53:34] Be kind

[00:53:36] Have good connections

[00:53:37] For sure

[00:53:38] Thank you so much for being on the podcast

[00:53:40] Yeah, thanks for having me

[00:53:41] Yeah, it was great getting to know you

[00:53:43] Good luck with everything you do

[00:53:45] And

[00:53:46] You too

[00:53:47] I hope

[00:53:49] I get to listen to the loop

[00:53:50] The loop EP or the loop

[00:53:52] Scrantel

[00:53:54] The future casual tragedies

[00:53:56] Record

[00:53:57] And I really want to catch teenage fiction live

[00:54:00] Because I've never seen you guys play live

[00:54:01] Ah

[00:54:02] So I'm ready

[00:54:03] Well, I can't wait for the time that you listen to all of these songs

[00:54:06] Right on, me too

[00:54:07] So keep in touch

[00:54:08] Take care

[00:54:09] Thank you so much

[00:54:10] Kenzie

[00:54:11] Thank you

[00:54:12] Alright

[00:55:24] Stay away

[00:55:25] I'm never too late

[00:55:45] You've been so long

[00:56:18] I've never too soon

[00:56:31] I'll be right here

[00:56:35] I'll be right here

[00:56:37] I'm not so great

[00:56:39] I'm too slow

[00:56:40] I'm too slow

[00:56:45] Yeah

[00:56:52] I'm not too late

[00:57:36] I'm too slow

[00:57:40] I'm too slow

[00:57:47] I'm too slow

[00:57:49] I'm too slow

[00:58:51] I'm too slow

[00:59:21] I'm too slow

[00:59:51] 24 rolls on

[00:59:53] See you next week

[00:59:54] You've got a real attitude problem, McFly

[00:59:56] You're a slacker

[01:00:35] I'm tired

[01:00:41] I'm tired

[01:00:42] You may have seen me hanging around

[01:00:45] Now I feel like a stranger

[01:00:49] In this taxi

[01:00:50] The road's just where I've learned