Deadwell are an Ottawa rock band comprising of members with a laundry list of musical accolades within the Ottawa music scene and beyond. Supporting their debut release "EP" and music video for the first single "Story of My Life" Deadwell are on a focused trajectory. Intelligent songwriting, melody, skilled playing and an unwavering love of the game; Deadwell will no doubt make a big name for themselves in the years to come.
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E&V
[00:00:00] Ego and Vice, episode 132
[00:00:03] You've got a real attitude problem McFly, you're a slacker!
[00:00:30] They still say that?
[00:01:00] Hey, this is Mike, this is Ego and Vice, this is episode 132. Thank you so much for coming back.
[00:01:15] Thank you so much for the support. Ego and Vice has been going for 7 and a half years now, about halfway through season 7 already.
[00:01:23] Is that crazy? It's crazy. Where does the time go?
[00:01:26] And it has no end, no stopping, I don't see it stopping.
[00:01:31] I may take a summer break though, I may take some time off.
[00:01:35] I just bought a brand new bike, a mountain bike, anyway.
[00:01:39] It's a hybrid bike and now that snowboarding season is over I really need to switch my obsessions.
[00:01:46] So I'm going to jump on the brand new bike.
[00:01:49] But it's been really cold so it's kind of a bummer.
[00:01:52] There's no snow in the winter and in the spring there's no sun.
[00:01:55] Fuck's going on.
[00:01:56] Anyway, enough about me.
[00:01:58] Oh, one thing I do want to say is last week a new Goat song, a new Goat single off the upcoming Goat record, the new Goat record,
[00:02:08] Gloat, which should drop in May, TBA, was released. It's called Into the Wild.
[00:02:15] It's a song about how we use our cell phones too much.
[00:02:20] Well, social media, just devices, how we just get brainwashed and we're so tied to them.
[00:02:27] It's almost like a magnet. It's stuck in your hand, it's stuck in your head.
[00:02:30] First thing you do in the morning is check your phone.
[00:02:32] Last thing you do at night is check your phone.
[00:02:35] And it's about just how do we get away from it?
[00:02:39] I don't know.
[00:02:40] So the song is called Into the Wild.
[00:02:42] You can guess the answer is to build a log cabin in the woods.
[00:02:47] Maybe?
[00:02:48] Cool. Let's get to the episode.
[00:02:50] This week on Ego and Vice, I have a band called Deadwell.
[00:02:55] Mark, Dan, Joe and Cody came into Southwood Studio and we had a great conversation.
[00:03:00] They're a fairly new band but individually they are made up of musicians that have been around the Ottawa music scene for a long time.
[00:03:08] And they were going about their merry business and then they found each other and now Deadwell exists.
[00:03:14] Awesome band.
[00:03:16] Really great music.
[00:03:19] Amazing songwriters and cool dudes.
[00:03:22] Let's play a song.
[00:03:24] This song is called Story of My Life.
[00:03:26] They also have a video for it when we come back.
[00:03:29] Mark, Dan, Joe and Cody sit down in Southwood and we have a great conversation.
[00:03:34] Now I'm repeating myself. Who gives a fuck?
[00:03:36] Alright, this is Deadwell, Story of My Life, Ego and Vice.
[00:04:17] Burning out in empathy
[00:04:26] And I cannot find it
[00:04:31] No, I cannot lie
[00:04:37] And I cannot find it
[00:04:46] What I've been looking for
[00:04:48] In a world this small
[00:04:51] It closes in a little war
[00:04:57] On each new day
[00:05:00] And I can't escape
[00:05:05] And I can't even hide
[00:05:08] Heart like stewigs
[00:05:11] The veins on you and me
[00:05:13] And I don't want your sympathy
[00:05:18] And it's the story of my life
[00:05:21] Like a tightrope on a knife
[00:05:24] Gonna fall and fall and fall away
[00:05:30] Like a mirage that arts my cat
[00:05:35] Until I fall away
[00:05:44] And I cannot find it
[00:05:50] No, I cannot lie
[00:05:55] And I can't even find it
[00:06:04] What I've been looking for
[00:06:07] The distant open door
[00:06:10] The vision ending in war
[00:06:14] It's a gunshot fight
[00:06:17] And it cleans my mind
[00:06:20] Until I should arts my kind
[00:06:23] It's the story of my life
[00:06:26] And I cannot find it
[00:06:30] No, I cannot lie
[00:06:34] It's the story of my life
[00:06:37] And I can't fucking find it
[00:06:44] And I can't even hide
[00:06:47] It's the story of my life
[00:06:50] And I can't even hide
[00:07:14] Joe, Mark, Dan and Cody
[00:07:17] What's going on?
[00:07:18] How you doing?
[00:07:19] I'm doing good
[00:07:20] I'm doing good
[00:07:21] I am...
[00:07:22] Oh, mister
[00:07:23] Hi
[00:07:24] There it is
[00:07:25] I'm doing good
[00:07:26] I was kind of rushed today
[00:07:28] Because I screwed up the scheduling
[00:07:30] So I got to thank you guys for accommodating me
[00:07:33] Because I know earlier in the week he said
[00:07:35] Do you mind if we do 6.30?
[00:07:36] And I was like
[00:07:37] Oh yeah, no problem
[00:07:38] And then I had to like switch it to like 8
[00:07:40] And I was like
[00:07:41] Oh this isn't gonna go well
[00:07:42] As unprofessional as this is
[00:07:44] I try to be as professional as I can
[00:07:46] You know, but it's DIY, right?
[00:07:48] You do your best
[00:07:49] So Dead Well
[00:07:51] I stumbled across you guys a couple months ago
[00:07:54] I think that's when I got in touch with somebody anyway
[00:07:57] Yeah, it was me
[00:07:58] Yeah, right
[00:07:59] And I haven't heard it
[00:08:01] I hadn't heard of you guys
[00:08:02] But I listened to the three songs you had up on
[00:08:05] I think it was Spotify
[00:08:06] And I really liked
[00:08:08] All About You
[00:08:09] Is that what the song is called?
[00:08:10] Yeah, that's the one
[00:08:11] Yeah, super catchy chorus
[00:08:14] But the story of my life
[00:08:15] That's the one you had the video for
[00:08:17] You know, I'm jumping ahead
[00:08:18] Because I'm excited that you're here
[00:08:20] I really wanted to talk to you guys
[00:08:22] Can you guys go into a bit of an origin of
[00:08:26] Who is Dead Well and where did they come from
[00:08:28] And how long have you guys been around
[00:08:29] And let's go
[00:08:31] I could take this one
[00:08:32] So in essence we're a bunch of dad rockers
[00:08:36] That have yet to give up on the dream
[00:08:38] I think that's the best way to put it
[00:08:40] I love it
[00:08:41] Yeah, so we've all been in bands playing music together
[00:08:44] Crossing paths
[00:08:46] What? Over 20 years, right?
[00:08:47] You know, it's got to be over 20 years
[00:08:48] Playing different bands
[00:08:49] Knowing each other through the local music scene in Ottawa
[00:08:53] And then I guess it was Mark's idea
[00:08:55] Mark was trying to put something together
[00:08:57] And then he asked me to sing
[00:08:59] And then I knew Dan
[00:09:00] Dan and I played in a band called The Second Glance for years in Ottawa
[00:09:02] And I said, you know what?
[00:09:03] Get Dan involved in this
[00:09:04] Dan brought in Cody
[00:09:05] And then we all just kind of like jelled together
[00:09:07] And made it happen
[00:09:08] So really it's just up until now
[00:09:11] Really like a recording project
[00:09:13] You know, we just get in the studio
[00:09:14] We write songs
[00:09:15] And we're trying to keep it low-key and chill
[00:09:18] But it's turning out really well
[00:09:19] Like we're all really happy with the product, right?
[00:09:21] So really that's as far as an origin story
[00:09:23] I think that's what it is
[00:09:24] Just kind of naturally came together, man
[00:09:26] From a bunch of people who've been buddies for a long time
[00:09:28] And then
[00:09:29] I think that's
[00:09:30] It's amazing that there's a couple other bands in the city
[00:09:33] Do you guys know the band Class of 91?
[00:09:36] Yeah, I've heard of them, yeah
[00:09:38] Yeah, they're
[00:09:39] Like as you said, like dad rockers
[00:09:41] Where they're like
[00:09:42] They put a band together
[00:09:43] They had like quit for like 20 years
[00:09:45] And then
[00:09:46] A stage in life kind of came around
[00:09:48] Where they're like
[00:09:49] Well, let's try this again
[00:09:50] And now they're playing like all the time
[00:09:51] Super good dudes
[00:09:52] I had a gig with them
[00:09:54] But yeah, I totally respect that
[00:09:56] And I totally get where you're coming from too
[00:09:58] Being someone in my
[00:10:00] We'll say mid-40s
[00:10:01] We'll call that
[00:10:03] But yeah, it's like
[00:10:04] I don't think you really need to give up a dream
[00:10:06] It just never goes away
[00:10:07] Like it's just
[00:10:08] If it's in you, it's in you, right?
[00:10:09] Yeah
[00:10:10] And doesn't matter what stage you're in
[00:10:12] If you still have music in you
[00:10:13] And you want to get it out
[00:10:14] And it's awesome that
[00:10:15] You have friends that play
[00:10:17] All the instruments you need I guess
[00:10:19] How was
[00:10:20] Let's talk about like maybe some
[00:10:23] Like the early days
[00:10:24] Like you said you were in bands
[00:10:26] What was the band called again?
[00:10:27] That was the Second Glance
[00:10:29] Okay
[00:10:30] What about
[00:10:31] What about you guys?
[00:10:32] I was in a band called Full Levity
[00:10:34] Back in 2000 and 2004
[00:10:36] That was kind of my intro into the punk scene
[00:10:39] And then started a career
[00:10:41] And traveled and didn't touch a guitar
[00:10:43] For about 10 years
[00:10:44] And missed it
[00:10:46] Reignited the passion
[00:10:48] I play in a cover band in Ottawa
[00:10:50] Called Gin and Tonic
[00:10:51] And we've done a lot of gigs
[00:10:52] And I still love playing covers
[00:10:55] But I always had the itch to kind of
[00:10:57] You know, write and get creative and stuff
[00:11:00] And I met Joe at work
[00:11:03] And we started talking
[00:11:04] And yeah, that's kind of how the genesis
[00:11:07] Of this band started
[00:11:08] Yeah, I played in a bunch of bands
[00:11:11] Mostly like heavier stuff
[00:11:13] I guess I would say
[00:11:14] I played in a band Collider
[00:11:17] And I had a band called Drill Point
[00:11:19] I played in a band called Nice for Kids
[00:11:22] And I was always a guitar player
[00:11:23] Like I'm kind of a guitar player
[00:11:25] I've always just been like a guitar player
[00:11:27] Who's wanted to be a drummer
[00:11:28] Like a wannabe drummer
[00:11:29] Isn't that the way it works though?
[00:11:30] I think so, right?
[00:11:31] This is kind of a guitar player
[00:11:33] You should see this guy
[00:11:34] He's the best guitar player in the band
[00:11:36] The best guitar player in the band
[00:11:37] He doesn't play, yeah
[00:11:38] And then we're like
[00:11:39] Hey, would you play drums for us?
[00:11:40] And we're like, oh my god
[00:11:41] He's amazing at drums too
[00:11:42] Yes, my dream come true
[00:11:43] I don't even care what it sounds like
[00:11:44] I'm in, I'm down
[00:11:45] And it turned out to be great
[00:11:47] The secret weapon
[00:11:49] I'm the opposite
[00:11:50] I'm the guy with the drum background
[00:11:52] And I don't know why I play drums
[00:11:54] I've been playing drums as long as
[00:11:56] I've been playing guitar
[00:11:57] But I've never played drums in a band
[00:11:58] I've always played guitar in a band
[00:12:00] Guitar and sang
[00:12:01] Exact same for you
[00:12:02] I would love the opportunity
[00:12:03] If it came around
[00:12:04] But I don't know if I'd have the guts
[00:12:05] To like do it
[00:12:06] It's hard
[00:12:07] That first gig will be a little nerve-racking
[00:12:09] It's so different than what I'm used to
[00:12:11] I'm like a shower
[00:12:12] You know people sing in the shower
[00:12:13] I'm like a shower drummer
[00:12:14] But I have a digital kit anyway
[00:12:17] Go on, I apologize
[00:12:18] That's awesome
[00:12:19] And yeah
[00:12:20] Yeah, I mean
[00:12:21] My story
[00:12:22] I'm backwards to Cody
[00:12:23] Like I took music in university
[00:12:26] And I was a percussion major
[00:12:28] And after I graduated from university
[00:12:30] I stopped playing drums
[00:12:31] And I started playing guitar
[00:12:33] And like most of the stuff
[00:12:35] I've done with Joe
[00:12:36] I think has been on
[00:12:37] I guess a little bit on drums
[00:12:38] But mostly it's been guitar and vocals
[00:12:40] And then
[00:12:41] I don't know
[00:12:42] I picked up the bass
[00:12:43] Five or six years ago probably
[00:12:45] And just
[00:12:47] I really liked how it combines
[00:12:49] The rhythmical stuff of drums
[00:12:52] With the melodic stuff
[00:12:53] Because that's what I really missed in drums
[00:12:55] Is not having any kind of melodic
[00:12:57] Input to the song, right?
[00:12:59] So bass was kind of like a happy
[00:13:01] Kind of in-between thing for me
[00:13:03] And I just kind of
[00:13:04] Kind of dug it
[00:13:05] And that's like when Joe asked me to play
[00:13:08] It was on bass
[00:13:09] And it made sense
[00:13:11] Yeah
[00:13:12] Bass is fun though
[00:13:13] Like bass is a really fun instrument
[00:13:14] If you dig into it
[00:13:15] Whenever I go up to the studio
[00:13:16] The last Goat record I did
[00:13:18] I just wrote
[00:13:19] Because I lost my bass player and my drummer
[00:13:20] So I just wrote everything
[00:13:21] And demoed it
[00:13:22] And then I went up to my buddy's studio
[00:13:24] And my favorite part of the whole fucking experience
[00:13:26] Was recording the bass
[00:13:28] You know just writing bass lines
[00:13:29] And bass runs and shit
[00:13:30] I probably did too much bass
[00:13:32] It's a sneaky instrument
[00:13:33] It's easy to do too much
[00:13:34] And it's easy to do too little
[00:13:36] Like aligning the right
[00:13:38] Oh and so key
[00:13:39] It's like foundational to the sound
[00:13:40] It's like the hidden
[00:13:42] It's like I always use the analogy
[00:13:44] Like a good hockey defense
[00:13:46] Invisible
[00:13:47] Yeah you don't notice it
[00:13:48] You don't notice it until it's gone
[00:13:49] And then you're like whoa wait a minute
[00:13:50] That was the foundation
[00:13:51] You know what I mean?
[00:13:52] So yeah
[00:13:53] The only problem is
[00:13:54] Writing and recording a record by yourself
[00:13:56] You don't have anybody to tell you
[00:13:57] It's too much bass
[00:13:58] Oh, Jill will tell you
[00:13:59] Yeah
[00:14:00] Until it's done
[00:14:01] Then it's like oh
[00:14:02] I'm good for the odd comment
[00:14:03] In production as we go
[00:14:04] Once in a while
[00:14:05] That's cool
[00:14:06] So when you guys decided
[00:14:07] To get together
[00:14:08] And you started to jam
[00:14:09] You said it was more of a recording project
[00:14:12] Did you jam all the time?
[00:14:13] Was it
[00:14:14] No
[00:14:15] We've jammed five times maybe now
[00:14:17] Six
[00:14:18] Yeah
[00:14:19] So did you do a lot of stuff like online?
[00:14:22] Yeah
[00:14:23] Kind of
[00:14:24] Pretty much
[00:14:25] So like so okay
[00:14:26] So I played in another band called Kingfisher
[00:14:28] Right?
[00:14:29] So that's kind of
[00:14:30] Yeah I know they were on this
[00:14:31] And I wasn't here at the podcast last time
[00:14:33] Yes
[00:14:34] Yeah
[00:14:35] So I write
[00:14:36] I primarily am one of the chief writers in that band
[00:14:38] And I'm like a songwriter
[00:14:39] It's what I love to do
[00:14:40] So when Mark asked me to play
[00:14:41] I said okay
[00:14:42] I want to do something a little bit different
[00:14:44] So
[00:14:45] Mark says here I got a song
[00:14:47] I got no vocals
[00:14:48] Right?
[00:14:49] And it's already a pre-made song
[00:14:50] And he's like
[00:14:51] I need the main melody and the lyrics
[00:14:52] And I was like okay
[00:14:53] This is a good challenge for a songwriter
[00:14:54] So it's basically put me out of my wheelhouse
[00:14:56] Where I usually am the genesis
[00:14:57] Or the formation of the foundation of a song
[00:14:59] Now I have something that's already pre-written
[00:15:01] Yeah
[00:15:02] And I have to kind of fill in the pieces
[00:15:03] Yet make it sound like it was the part of the song
[00:15:05] So I was really intrigued by that idea
[00:15:07] So what's happening with this band now
[00:15:08] Is I say recording project
[00:15:09] But it's actually more of a creative exposition
[00:15:11] Right?
[00:15:12] Where I'm looking at trying to write songs
[00:15:13] Different
[00:15:14] And I'm like
[00:15:15] I'm going to try to write songs
[00:15:16] Different
[00:15:17] And I'm like
[00:15:18] I'm going to try to write songs
[00:15:19] Different
[00:15:20] I'm trying to write songs
[00:15:21] Different ways
[00:15:22] So Dan will come with ideas
[00:15:24] And then I have to kind of fix them
[00:15:25] And make them work and do that
[00:15:26] So it's been really awesome
[00:15:28] We don't
[00:15:29] We haven't practiced a lot
[00:15:31] Together
[00:15:32] But we spend a lot of time
[00:15:33] Figuring this stuff out
[00:15:34] And then when we do get to the room
[00:15:35] We're like wow
[00:15:36] It all just jelled together
[00:15:37] Do you record with Casey?
[00:15:38] Is that where you recorded it?
[00:15:39] Oh no not this
[00:15:40] Deadwell is with Dan
[00:15:41] Oh with Dan
[00:15:42] Yeah
[00:15:43] Okay
[00:15:44] Yeah and myself
[00:15:45] I have a studio in my basement
[00:15:46] Cool man
[00:15:47] Yeah
[00:15:48] I didn't even put that together
[00:15:49] I fucking love those guys
[00:15:50] I love Kingfisher
[00:15:51] Thanks man
[00:15:52] Great fucking
[00:15:53] Yeah they were just here like
[00:15:54] Four or five podcasts ago
[00:15:55] Yeah
[00:15:56] I couldn't make it
[00:15:57] So let me set out your other band Deadwell
[00:15:59] You want to go?
[00:16:00] I'm like yeah for sure
[00:16:01] Yeah that's cool
[00:16:02] You know what the funny thing is about Ottawa though
[00:16:03] It's just like
[00:16:04] There's a lot of interchange
[00:16:05] Not I shouldn't say interchangeable
[00:16:06] But interchanging
[00:16:07] Yeah
[00:16:08] Musicians and members throughout
[00:16:11] All of Ottawa bands
[00:16:12] In different corners
[00:16:13] Different scenes
[00:16:14] Because I find there's a whole bunch of different scenes in Ottawa
[00:16:16] And everybody kind of knows everybody
[00:16:18] And some people play in this band and this band and this band
[00:16:20] Because I've had like five different bands on
[00:16:24] And there's like hey you're back
[00:16:25] You know what I mean
[00:16:26] Like then I didn't even know
[00:16:27] And that's another one today
[00:16:28] There you go
[00:16:29] Kingfisher is a great example of that
[00:16:30] Yeah
[00:16:31] Like I've played in a band with someone
[00:16:33] Or at least one member from Kingfisher
[00:16:35] And Brent
[00:16:36] Oh Brent
[00:16:37] Yeah
[00:16:38] I've played in a band with every single person in Kingfisher
[00:16:40] At one point or another
[00:16:41] Yeah
[00:16:42] Yeah
[00:16:43] That's so funny man
[00:16:44] That's so funny
[00:16:45] Because again that's another kind of pocket of the scene
[00:16:47] Where it's like
[00:16:48] Last year I
[00:16:49] Like the younger more college kid scene
[00:16:52] And now I'm kind of moving
[00:16:53] Like Kingfisher and on and you guys and stuff
[00:16:55] And it's just like
[00:16:56] There's so many bands
[00:16:57] And it's such a small city
[00:16:58] And there's only so many places to play
[00:17:00] And it's amazing how many bands haven't heard of each other
[00:17:02] Like do you know this band
[00:17:03] They play like all the time
[00:17:04] They do this
[00:17:05] They've been together three years
[00:17:06] No, no never have
[00:17:07] Even though they were playing at the door next
[00:17:08] The door next door
[00:17:09] Yeah
[00:17:10] Yeah
[00:17:11] It's crazy
[00:17:12] So now that you're jamming
[00:17:13] I guess the goal is
[00:17:14] To play some shows or
[00:17:15] I think we really want to
[00:17:16] Yeah
[00:17:17] We're working towards it
[00:17:18] Yeah
[00:17:19] I think we need to write a couple more tunes
[00:17:20] Like we're pretty new
[00:17:21] I don't actually even know when we started but
[00:17:22] It's happening pretty quick though
[00:17:23] It's been over a year
[00:17:24] What
[00:17:25] Yeah
[00:17:26] How has it been over a year
[00:17:27] Because we get together so infrequently
[00:17:28] Well that's it
[00:17:29] Well I've only been around for
[00:17:30] I think probably six months ago
[00:17:31] When we had the first jam
[00:17:32] But I've only had like four jams
[00:17:33] With you guys five jams maybe
[00:17:34] Yeah
[00:17:35] It's funny man because we'll
[00:17:36] We'll have to figure out
[00:17:37] How many people are going to be there
[00:17:38] And how many people are going to be there
[00:17:39] And how many people are going to be there
[00:17:40] And how many people are going to be there
[00:17:41] So you guys five jams maybe
[00:17:42] Yeah
[00:17:43] It's funny man because we'll
[00:17:44] We'll get an idea together
[00:17:46] And then maybe I'll record a couple parts
[00:17:48] Or Mark will record a couple parts
[00:17:49] And then we'll be like
[00:17:50] Here Dan
[00:17:51] This is an idea of a song
[00:17:52] And then like next week
[00:17:53] Dan's like here you go
[00:17:54] It's an almost complete song
[00:17:55] You know
[00:17:56] Because he put his stamp on it
[00:17:57] Right
[00:17:58] So like Cody was saying
[00:17:59] It happens really quick
[00:18:00] Like this band is all people
[00:18:01] Who are very experienced
[00:18:02] And we've been doing this a long time
[00:18:03] I was going to say
[00:18:04] So we can do it really quick
[00:18:05] You know
[00:18:06] Definitely happening quick and moving along
[00:18:07] But it's experience too
[00:18:08] Right
[00:18:09] You've been through it before
[00:18:10] And you're like
[00:18:11] I'm not fucking around
[00:18:12] It's kind of like let's do
[00:18:13] Yeah
[00:18:14] Do the stuff that kind of makes sense
[00:18:15] You know you still have fun with it
[00:18:16] Yeah
[00:18:17] Whatever but
[00:18:18] Yeah
[00:18:19] But it's really effective though
[00:18:20] For the six times we've jammed
[00:18:21] We've written four songs
[00:18:22] And we did a full music video
[00:18:23] Yeah
[00:18:24] That's the thing
[00:18:25] Yeah
[00:18:26] I've never heard of any band doing that
[00:18:27] Yeah
[00:18:28] The story of my life
[00:18:29] That was the video right
[00:18:30] Yeah
[00:18:31] How did that come about
[00:18:32] How did you film it
[00:18:33] Casey from Kingfisher was saying
[00:18:34] That they filmed all the Kingfisher's videos on his phone
[00:18:36] Or is that right
[00:18:37] That's true
[00:18:38] More or less the same
[00:18:39] Zero budget
[00:18:40] Yeah
[00:18:41] So I took that same principle
[00:18:42] And I said hey Dan
[00:18:43] Dan's the renaissance man right
[00:18:44] He can do everything right
[00:18:45] That's why he plays bass in this band
[00:18:46] Because we needed a bass player
[00:18:47] I said hey Dan
[00:18:48] Can you make us a music video
[00:18:49] He was like yeah sure
[00:18:50] Oh by the way
[00:18:51] Zero budget
[00:18:52] Okay yeah no problem
[00:18:53] Zero budget
[00:18:54] Yeah
[00:18:55] I think you drafted the concept that day
[00:18:56] And then
[00:18:57] We did it
[00:18:58] We did it in four hours
[00:18:59] And that was it
[00:19:00] Yeah
[00:19:01] We showed up and then
[00:19:02] We had
[00:19:03] The idea
[00:19:04] Joe shows up in a janitor uniform
[00:19:05] We jam in my office
[00:19:06] And so
[00:19:07] That was the start
[00:19:08] So she shows up in a janitor uniform
[00:19:09] And we're like alright
[00:19:10] I'm a janitor
[00:19:11] You actually had Joe on the thing too
[00:19:12] Yeah
[00:19:13] Had a little button that said Joe
[00:19:14] Yeah
[00:19:15] That's right
[00:19:16] So we just
[00:19:17] No political campaign thing
[00:19:18] It's all about the details
[00:19:19] It's all about the realism
[00:19:20] Yeah
[00:19:21] So we just used all the camera gear at work
[00:19:22] And put something together
[00:19:23] And yeah
[00:19:24] I don't know
[00:19:25] That start to finish
[00:19:26] That was like three hours I think
[00:19:27] Three hours
[00:19:28] Yeah
[00:19:29] I mean editing for sure
[00:19:30] It took you all the time
[00:19:31] No it was one night
[00:19:32] Yeah it came together really fast
[00:19:33] Like we just
[00:19:34] We had a bio
[00:19:35] We had a bio
[00:19:36] Binder just like that
[00:19:37] Spiral binder
[00:19:38] And we just wrote down
[00:19:39] Like things we wanted Joe to do
[00:19:40] And then we just went around the building
[00:19:41] Filming him doing it
[00:19:42] And then we just kind of
[00:19:43] Jammed it all together
[00:19:44] And like each of us had a little cameo in there
[00:19:45] Yeah
[00:19:46] Like it was pretty organic
[00:19:47] No it's a cool video
[00:19:48] And if you look at the state of videos
[00:19:49] These days
[00:19:50] Like if you go back and look at like
[00:19:51] Videos from the 90s with explosions
[00:19:52] And car crashes
[00:19:53] And narratives
[00:19:54] And storylines
[00:19:55] And plots
[00:19:56] And budgets
[00:19:57] And budgets right
[00:19:58] It's like a mini movie
[00:19:59] That used to get a lot of attention
[00:20:00] And a lot of attention
[00:20:01] And a lot of attention
[00:20:02] And a lot of attention
[00:20:03] And a lot of attention
[00:20:04] And a lot of attention
[00:20:05] Like a mini movie
[00:20:06] That used to get like
[00:20:07] Oh and this one's directed by Robert
[00:20:08] Or um
[00:20:09] I don't know
[00:20:10] Whatever director you're thinking about
[00:20:11] Yeah it's how a lot of directors would cut their teeth
[00:20:12] You know
[00:20:13] Courtney Cox starred in this video
[00:20:14] And now it's just like
[00:20:15] Fuck I've seen videos that
[00:20:16] I swear to god
[00:20:17] It's one shot
[00:20:18] One continuous shot
[00:20:19] And it looks like shit
[00:20:20] But who cares right
[00:20:21] It's like
[00:20:22] I don't know
[00:20:23] There's so much
[00:20:24] There's so much content out there
[00:20:25] That even if you just watch half the video
[00:20:26] Just to see what the band looks like playing
[00:20:27] Or who's playing
[00:20:28] Or who's playing
[00:20:29] It's like
[00:20:30] I don't know
[00:20:31] There's so much
[00:20:32] There's so much content out there
[00:20:33] That even if you just watch half the video
[00:20:34] Just to see what the band looks like playing
[00:20:35] Or who's singing to you
[00:20:36] Or something like that
[00:20:37] I think that's the main purpose
[00:20:38] I don't think people live and die
[00:20:39] By the video anymore
[00:20:40] It's cool to have
[00:20:41] It's true
[00:20:42] I think the reason
[00:20:43] I think it's important
[00:20:44] Is because
[00:20:45] Like you just said it
[00:20:46] There's so much content out there
[00:20:47] So right now there's just
[00:20:48] I can't remember what the number was
[00:20:49] I read an article not long ago
[00:20:50] There's thousands of songs
[00:20:51] That get uploaded to Spotify every day
[00:20:52] Oh it's crazy
[00:20:53] Yeah
[00:20:54] So if you want people to hear
[00:20:55] What you're doing
[00:20:56] You almost have to like
[00:20:57] Full press
[00:20:58] Hit them with it
[00:20:59] So you need to have
[00:21:00] A promo campaign
[00:21:01] You need to have a video
[00:21:02] You need to do everything
[00:21:03] You need to have a platform
[00:21:04] And push it
[00:21:05] Push it
[00:21:06] Push it
[00:21:07] Right?
[00:21:08] So with Kingfisher
[00:21:09] When I relate to that
[00:21:10] We did
[00:21:11] We had a
[00:21:12] Let's call it a business plan
[00:21:13] Of putting one song out a month
[00:21:14] And it would get a full promo package
[00:21:15] It would get a cell phone video
[00:21:16] Every platform
[00:21:17] We'd push
[00:21:18] Push push
[00:21:19] I think we're a little different
[00:21:20] In this band
[00:21:21] We're not trying to push it as much
[00:21:22] But we have done that a little bit
[00:21:23] But man it's just so hard to get heard
[00:21:24] It's so hard to get heard
[00:21:25] Yeah it's crazy
[00:21:26] It's like
[00:21:27] It's a needle in a haystack really
[00:21:28] Yeah
[00:21:29] Like music nowadays
[00:21:30] Because it is so easy to
[00:21:31] I can go right now
[00:21:32] And I can go to a video
[00:21:33] Or something
[00:21:34] And upload myself fucking snoring
[00:21:35] And it's going to be up there
[00:21:36] Right?
[00:21:37] It's like content
[00:21:38] Yeah
[00:21:39] Yeah right
[00:21:40] But I understand
[00:21:41] Having a business plan
[00:21:42] Depending on where you want to go
[00:21:43] Or what you want to do
[00:21:44] To kind of get that
[00:21:45] To get it out there
[00:21:46] Just to have like the reach
[00:21:47] You're still
[00:21:48] But then you're still competing
[00:21:49] With all the people that are doing that
[00:21:50] You know what I mean?
[00:21:51] Yep
[00:21:52] But
[00:21:53] People listen to music
[00:21:54] On YouTube a lot nowadays too
[00:21:55] Right?
[00:21:56] So it's like if you're going to have
[00:21:57] Like
[00:21:58] You might as well have a video
[00:21:59] Up there
[00:22:00] Not just like
[00:22:01] 100%
[00:22:02] Yeah
[00:22:03] That's why I do a video
[00:22:04] On this podcast
[00:22:05] No I don't
[00:22:06] I figure watching like a cheap
[00:22:09] DIY video is better than watching
[00:22:11] Just someone's head talking to you
[00:22:12] So
[00:22:13] I'm not going to do a video
[00:22:14] But you're right
[00:22:15] You're right
[00:22:16] Spotify is usually the big one
[00:22:19] Or Apple podcasts or stuff
[00:22:20] But people always say
[00:22:21] Where can I listen to
[00:22:22] A podcast
[00:22:23] And I say
[00:22:24] I'd go to Spotify
[00:22:25] Me assuming like everybody listens to Spotify
[00:22:28] And they're like
[00:22:29] Oh
[00:22:30] You're going to listen to YouTube
[00:22:31] And it is now
[00:22:32] But back then I was like
[00:22:33] No
[00:22:34] They're like
[00:22:35] Yep
[00:22:36] You got to hit everything
[00:22:37] Then I'm not going to look for it
[00:22:38] You know
[00:22:39] And I'm like
[00:22:40] Okay
[00:22:41] Alright
[00:22:42] So yeah you got to
[00:22:43] Cover your bases I guess
[00:22:44] And you know
[00:22:45] I don't think anyone's trying
[00:22:46] To change the world
[00:22:47] With punk rock these days
[00:22:48] No
[00:22:49] But if you can get it out
[00:22:50] Far enough just
[00:22:51] You know
[00:22:52] To make it worth it
[00:22:53] And have people listen to it
[00:22:54] And get some response back
[00:22:55] And have people at your shows
[00:22:56] Yeah
[00:22:57] That's what it's all about
[00:22:58] You know
[00:23:00] How has playing music as older dudes
[00:23:06] Changed from how you played
[00:23:08] When you were younger
[00:23:09] Is the
[00:23:10] I know the drive is always there
[00:23:12] But like
[00:23:13] It's funny
[00:23:14] Cody and I were talking about this
[00:23:15] On the way over here
[00:23:16] A little bit
[00:23:17] Just in that
[00:23:19] The drive to be perfect
[00:23:22] Isn't there anymore
[00:23:23] When we were younger
[00:23:25] Shrugged with that a lot
[00:23:26] You want to put something out
[00:23:27] You feel like you have a lot riding on it
[00:23:28] And now
[00:23:29] It's like that weight is gone
[00:23:31] And we're just doing it
[00:23:32] Because we enjoy it
[00:23:33] And we keep coming back to it
[00:23:34] Right
[00:23:35] So
[00:23:36] I know me personally
[00:23:37] When I was younger
[00:23:38] I put a lot into it
[00:23:40] I went to school for music
[00:23:41] Like there was a lot
[00:23:42] It felt like it was always
[00:23:43] Like something more to it
[00:23:45] And that weight on me
[00:23:47] Whereas now
[00:23:48] My dad
[00:23:49] You know
[00:23:50] I don't rely on it for income
[00:23:51] Like there's all these other things
[00:23:52] Going on in my life
[00:23:53] And for me now
[00:23:55] Music is kind of like that
[00:23:56] Escape and that getaway
[00:23:57] And like
[00:23:58] That thing that I enjoy to do
[00:24:00] Right
[00:24:01] Whereas
[00:24:02] Because I also worked in the music industry
[00:24:03] For a while too
[00:24:04] Which can kind of
[00:24:05] Jade you a bit on stuff
[00:24:06] Right
[00:24:07] Like it's hard to work on music all day
[00:24:09] And then come home
[00:24:10] And want to play music too
[00:24:11] Right
[00:24:12] So it's like
[00:24:13] Yeah
[00:24:14] It's been an evolution for me
[00:24:15] For sure
[00:24:16] I mean
[00:24:17] Probably not exactly the same for you guys
[00:24:18] But
[00:24:19] I think also just like the organization
[00:24:20] Like we were talking about earlier
[00:24:21] With you know
[00:24:22] The fact that
[00:24:23] Well A
[00:24:24] Like we can all do
[00:24:25] Recording ourselves now
[00:24:26] And like we don't have to really rely on other people
[00:24:28] Whereas when I was younger
[00:24:29] Like we were kind of relying on other people
[00:24:31] To take care of a lot of that stuff
[00:24:32] And then
[00:24:33] But just
[00:24:34] We've got more experience
[00:24:35] So things
[00:24:36] Especially in this band
[00:24:37] Like what I found with these guys
[00:24:39] They're
[00:24:40] They're just like
[00:24:41] You know they get it done
[00:24:42] It's not like
[00:24:43] You have a song
[00:24:44] That you've been kind of kicking around
[00:24:45] For a while
[00:24:46] And you're not really sure how it ends
[00:24:47] It's like no no
[00:24:48] We're like
[00:24:49] Let's just hammer that song out
[00:24:50] Let's finish it
[00:24:51] It's good
[00:24:52] Let's put it out
[00:24:53] And let's move on to the next thing
[00:24:54] Like
[00:24:55] The video
[00:24:56] You know like
[00:24:57] Like literally I joined the band
[00:24:58] I had one jam
[00:24:59] And then they're like
[00:25:00] Alright so now we're gonna shoot a music video
[00:25:01] You in?
[00:25:02] And I'm like
[00:25:03] Awesome yeah cool
[00:25:04] Like I've never
[00:25:05] It's like
[00:25:06] So much more productive than any other project
[00:25:08] I've been a part of
[00:25:09] Just because
[00:25:10] You know
[00:25:11] It's just like
[00:25:12] Kind of have an idea
[00:25:13] Yeah yeah
[00:25:14] I think that comes with getting older too
[00:25:15] It's just like
[00:25:16] You kind of do away with the bullshit of it all
[00:25:17] And just be like
[00:25:18] You know
[00:25:19] You know what you gotta do
[00:25:20] So
[00:25:21] You know
[00:25:22] It's a good question for me
[00:25:23] Now
[00:25:24] I've been
[00:25:25] But I've been playing music hard
[00:25:26] For a long time
[00:25:27] And you know
[00:25:28] Been
[00:25:29] Had a lot of creative output
[00:25:30] Written a lot of songs
[00:25:31] I'm still chasing something
[00:25:32] I don't even know what it is
[00:25:33] Fair enough
[00:25:34] And I guess as I get older
[00:25:35] I get more content with that
[00:25:36] That there's just this mass confusion
[00:25:37] And all I know is
[00:25:38] I'm a creative person
[00:25:39] And I can't help it
[00:25:40] You said something earlier
[00:25:41] You said
[00:25:42] It doesn't matter what's around you
[00:25:43] If you're creative
[00:25:44] You're just
[00:25:45] Or producer of music
[00:25:46] You're just gonna do it
[00:25:47] It's just gonna do it
[00:25:48] I don't
[00:25:49] It would be no different for me
[00:25:50] You know
[00:25:51] Like you can put me anywhere in the world
[00:25:52] I'm just pushing out music
[00:25:53] And probably it's gonna be punk rock
[00:25:54] Or you know heavy rock
[00:25:55] Like what Dead Will is
[00:25:56] Right
[00:25:57] Yeah
[00:25:58] 100%
[00:25:59] And I think
[00:26:00] Sorry Mark
[00:26:01] Did you
[00:26:02] Yeah
[00:26:03] I know it's just kind of the same
[00:26:04] Minds as Joel
[00:26:05] Like I
[00:26:06] I'm always chasing a little something too
[00:26:07] I don't know exactly what it is
[00:26:08] But it's just
[00:26:09] Taking my hobby to the next level
[00:26:10] Yeah
[00:26:11] I love it
[00:26:12] It's a great output
[00:26:13] I don't think we'll ever know
[00:26:14] Cause I feel exactly the same way
[00:26:15] It's just like
[00:26:16] I think every young musician has that
[00:26:18] Thought in their head at some point
[00:26:19] Where you'd be like
[00:26:20] Wow this would be awesome
[00:26:21] You'd be like
[00:26:22] I'm gonna be a rock star
[00:26:23] I'm gonna make a living with this
[00:26:24] And then as you
[00:26:25] Kind of go through the trials and tribulations
[00:26:27] And you have some success
[00:26:28] But what is success?
[00:26:29] Maybe you tour a bit
[00:26:30] And then you kind of get older
[00:26:31] And your life happens
[00:26:32] And the kids come
[00:26:33] And the families and the career
[00:26:34] And you're like
[00:26:35] I'd like to retire someday
[00:26:36] But you still have music
[00:26:37] And I find that
[00:26:38] Where I am now
[00:26:39] Is I understand that chasing something
[00:26:40] Cause I still
[00:26:41] Every time I walk into a room
[00:26:42] And there's a guitar there
[00:26:43] Even if I don't touch it
[00:26:44] I'm looking at it
[00:26:45] You know what I mean
[00:26:46] It's a compulsive
[00:26:47] I wanna play it
[00:26:48] Yeah
[00:26:49] But I'm not gonna
[00:26:50] Yeah
[00:26:51] But I find that
[00:26:52] All those kind of
[00:26:53] Goals of like
[00:26:57] Making a living
[00:26:58] And doing it forever
[00:26:59] As you know being known
[00:27:01] Now that that's kind of at bay
[00:27:03] I'm actually having fun
[00:27:05] Like I don't worry about all that shit anymore
[00:27:07] It's just do it because
[00:27:09] It's there
[00:27:10] Cause you love it
[00:27:11] I can
[00:27:12] And that's when it's
[00:27:13] Now it's more fun now
[00:27:15] I think that's why I asked the question
[00:27:16] It's more fun now to me
[00:27:17] Than it was when I was younger
[00:27:18] Cause younger you're just
[00:27:19] You're all pants and everything
[00:27:20] You take everything so seriously sometimes
[00:27:22] I will say this
[00:27:24] You know I've been fortunate enough
[00:27:25] To know some people who
[00:27:26] Have had success in the music industry
[00:27:30] I can't think of one of them
[00:27:31] That's particularly happy
[00:27:32] To be honest
[00:27:33] Cause I think it's an illusion
[00:27:34] A lot of it right
[00:27:35] So
[00:27:36] It's like you think you want it
[00:27:37] You think you wanna be a particular way
[00:27:38] And it's not
[00:27:39] Like that
[00:27:40] I had one guy
[00:27:41] He's a pre-musician
[00:27:42] He tells me
[00:27:43] Joe you're the smartest
[00:27:44] Professional musician I know
[00:27:45] Cause you got a job
[00:27:47] You know
[00:27:48] I guess
[00:27:49] I get that too
[00:27:50] And if you think of the
[00:27:51] Landscape of music today
[00:27:52] The only way to really make money
[00:27:54] In a band is you have to tour
[00:27:56] Crazy life
[00:27:57] The last thing you wanna do
[00:27:58] Is be on the road
[00:27:59] For fucking
[00:28:00] Sleeping in someone's
[00:28:01] It's crazy
[00:28:02] Yeah it's a hard life
[00:28:03] It's a hard life man
[00:28:04] Cause there's no money
[00:28:05] You don't make money off music anymore
[00:28:06] Like selling records
[00:28:08] Or anything like that
[00:28:09] No
[00:28:10] It's merch at a show
[00:28:11] And whatever you get at the door
[00:28:12] Whatever turns out
[00:28:13] I met a very famous rock star once
[00:28:15] And I remember leaving
[00:28:16] Sort of hung out for a couple days
[00:28:18] And I'm not gonna say who it is
[00:28:19] But I remember leaving that
[00:28:20] Whole experience thinking
[00:28:21] That person
[00:28:22] Is just an expert hustler
[00:28:24] They have basically become
[00:28:25] A really really good hustler
[00:28:26] As time's gone on
[00:28:27] Because they have to
[00:28:28] Right?
[00:28:29] They have to
[00:28:30] You know
[00:28:31] Because man
[00:28:32] It's a real grind to do that
[00:28:33] You know
[00:28:34] Yeah
[00:28:35] And um
[00:28:36] Let's play a Deadwell song
[00:28:37] What do you guys wanna hear?
[00:28:38] What do you guys wanna play?
[00:28:39] I don't know
[00:28:40] Well we got what?
[00:28:41] Five songs
[00:28:42] So pick one of those
[00:28:44] Um
[00:28:45] Well it's your show
[00:28:46] You uh
[00:28:47] You rack it up
[00:28:48] Why don't we serve a release sir?
[00:28:51] A new release?
[00:28:52] A new song?
[00:28:56] How about All About You?
[00:28:57] I think that
[00:28:58] Yeah you said you like All About You
[00:28:59] Why don't we play that one
[00:29:00] Yeah yeah
[00:29:01] That's cool
[00:29:02] Okay this is Deadwell
[00:29:03] This is All About You
[00:29:04] Off of EP
[00:29:06] Right?
[00:29:07] Yep
[00:29:08] Off the EP EP
[00:29:09] I couldn't put self titled
[00:29:11] So I just put EP
[00:29:12] And yeah that's how it came out
[00:29:13] Speaks for itself
[00:29:14] Yeah there you go
[00:29:15] Alright
[00:29:16] Eagle and Vice
[00:29:42] She goes wrong
[00:29:43] They'll tell you that's the way it is
[00:29:47] Some people are above the law
[00:29:57] So look you in the eye
[00:29:58] And write on your face
[00:30:03] And why rules don't apply
[00:30:04] In any case
[00:30:06] You believe
[00:30:07] They'll tell you that's the way it is
[00:30:11] Some people are above the law
[00:30:14] You would never know it
[00:30:15] Cause I would never show it
[00:30:17] And I don't wanna blow it with you
[00:30:20] You take it all
[00:30:21] But you will never know
[00:30:23] How hard you are on those around you
[00:30:26] You're never going alone
[00:30:29] Never pick up the phone to call
[00:30:32] And I will never know it
[00:30:33] Cause you will never show it
[00:30:35] And everybody owes it to you
[00:30:41] It's only taking what she's entitled to
[00:30:47] It's that fact that she believes it through and through
[00:30:50] It's her song
[00:30:53] They'll tell you that's the way it is
[00:30:56] Some people are above the law
[00:30:59] There's a limit we can take of this
[00:31:02] So don't let it get to you
[00:31:04] Cause you're never going alone
[00:31:06] Never pick up the phone to call
[00:31:08] And I will never show it
[00:31:10] Somewhere there's a line we draw
[00:31:13] You'll never know it
[00:31:14] Cause I would never show it
[00:31:16] And I don't wanna blow it with you
[00:31:19] You take it all
[00:31:20] But you will never know
[00:31:22] How hard you are on those around you
[00:31:25] You're never going alone
[00:31:28] Never pick up the phone to call
[00:31:31] And I will never know it
[00:31:32] Cause you will never show it
[00:31:34] And everybody owes it to you
[00:31:40] They'll tell you that's the way it is
[00:31:42] Some people are above the law
[00:31:44] There's a limit we can take of this
[00:31:48] Somewhere there's a line we draw
[00:31:51] You never know it
[00:31:52] Cause I would never show it
[00:31:54] And I don't wanna blow it with you
[00:31:57] You take it all
[00:31:58] But you will never know
[00:31:59] How hard you are on those around you
[00:32:02] You're never going alone
[00:32:04] Never pick up the phone to call
[00:32:06] And I will never show it
[00:32:08] Cause you will never show it
[00:32:09] And everybody owes it to you
[00:32:12] You're never going alone
[00:32:15] Never pick up the phone to call
[00:32:17] And I will never know it
[00:32:18] Cause you will never show it
[00:32:20] And everybody owes it to you
[00:32:24] You're never going alone
[00:32:27] Never pick up the phone to call
[00:32:29] And I will never know it
[00:32:31] Cause you will never show it
[00:32:32] And everybody owes it to you
[00:32:38] So songwriting now, I know you were breaking down kind of how it's done and how the actual song is written.
[00:32:43] I always bring up this topic because I find it really interesting and I always, I guess because I'm older now,
[00:32:49] I always wonder because I have conversations with younger bands and I have conversation with older bands.
[00:32:54] How is the content or the writing like what do you write about nowadays?
[00:32:58] How was that different from when you were 20 years old and you wanted to burn the world down?
[00:33:03] Man, that's a hard question. I still want to burn the world down.
[00:33:08] Ah man, it's a for me, it's a passion of my life.
[00:33:13] And like so I just got a book and I'm reading it right now. It's called The Artist's Way.
[00:33:17] And it's all about instigating the sort of spiritual creative influences that are in you and recognizing that
[00:33:25] you're basically a volcano and the creative elements of you are waiting to explode.
[00:33:31] And it's like you spend your whole life building the filters that prevent it from exploding.
[00:33:35] You know, you reserve yourself, you filter yourself, you have too much caution.
[00:33:39] And then you have to actually come up with exercises and practice to remove those filters so that the volcano can explode.
[00:33:46] And then you'd be surprised what comes out because it's going to be a part of you and it's going to be the deepest part of you.
[00:33:51] You know, it's funny. So that book is really good, The Artist's Way. It's very famous.
[00:33:55] So for me, it's been this lifelong passion and I never know where the song is going to take me.
[00:33:59] I never know where the lyrics are going to take me.
[00:34:01] I like to try to be characters sometimes. Other times I like to be myself.
[00:34:05] I like to tell you a story, let you in the door and see who I am.
[00:34:09] I like to do third person narration and just look at pick one of them and then try to stay in that wheelhouse and write a song about it.
[00:34:17] Real quick, the way that I kind of describe a song is it's like writing a newspaper article.
[00:34:22] So the editor of the newspaper says to you, I've given you this much space and you have this many words that you're allowed to use.
[00:34:31] And I need you to tell me a very compelling story.
[00:34:34] And I want you to make it rhyme every third line. Go. Right.
[00:34:37] So now you give yourself that box and you have to do that.
[00:34:40] So songwriting to me is like my great passion.
[00:34:42] You know, aside from my family, I'll never stop writing songs and I'll never start stop chasing trying to just get better at that.
[00:34:48] Does that make sense?
[00:34:49] It totally does. And I understand the filters and stuff, because as you get older, like I said, when you're 20, you want to burn the world down and you'll fucking tell people, I'll burn the fucking world down.
[00:34:57] You're just blunt about it. Right.
[00:34:58] And then as you grow older, based off your situation, maybe your job, you just get a little bit more reserved, a little bit more closed in where you got to kind of watch what you're saying.
[00:35:08] Right. Because it's not just you. You're looking out for anymore.
[00:35:10] You want to ruin reputations of your workplace or family or anything.
[00:35:14] Fuck you. You know, all that shit.
[00:35:16] Yeah, I get it. And breaking those down and finding like a place that you can still tell a story is super interesting.
[00:35:22] I don't know. I just started.
[00:35:24] I never used to write about myself. Now I just write about like what like experiences, I guess.
[00:35:29] But that's what you have right in life.
[00:35:31] And I think everyone, the human condition, everyone goes through somewhat of the same experience in one way or another.
[00:35:39] And I think now it's just trying to almost relate to people through lyrics.
[00:35:43] You know, you write a story that's somewhat familiar.
[00:35:45] But then you find a really fucking great melody to make it fucking stick in your head.
[00:35:49] So yeah, man, I don't know.
[00:35:51] I just I find it harder as I get older.
[00:35:54] Just because I want to I don't want to come across as a fucking burn the world down kid.
[00:35:57] I want to come across like I want to tell a good story.
[00:36:00] Well, you need that book, The Artist's Way.
[00:36:02] Now I know what it is. Yeah.
[00:36:04] I'm going to fucking take a look at it and probably try to read it.
[00:36:07] I'll take extra ADHD medication.
[00:36:10] And I'll go a page at a time. Should take me about six months.
[00:36:13] So what's down the road?
[00:36:15] Like, what do you guys foresee with for 2024?
[00:36:19] What do you have some goals?
[00:36:20] You have some obviously do because you're very meticulous about how you do stuff.
[00:36:24] Yeah. Yes and no.
[00:36:25] I mean, I think there's definitely new tunes.
[00:36:27] I think that's really what we're working on now.
[00:36:29] We'd like to play a show.
[00:36:31] We haven't done that yet.
[00:36:32] So that would be a good thing to probably get on our belts at some point.
[00:36:36] But yeah, I think like songwriting and just creating music,
[00:36:41] I think is really where we're at right now.
[00:36:43] So for the short term, I think that's probably probably where we're headed.
[00:36:47] And then we don't have a lot of Dan keeps bugging us.
[00:36:50] He's like, we've got to jam more. We've got to practice more.
[00:36:52] Let's do it once a week.
[00:36:53] And we're like, man, we're so busy. We're so busy.
[00:36:55] Well, yeah, Joe has other bands he plays in right now.
[00:36:57] I don't have a whole lot on the go.
[00:36:59] So I don't I don't have a lot of opportunities to play.
[00:37:02] Whereas I was like, I jam six times this week.
[00:37:04] I'm good. Right.
[00:37:05] So I'm so tired.
[00:37:07] Yeah, yeah.
[00:37:09] So yeah, no, not at all.
[00:37:12] It's different.
[00:37:14] I like that.
[00:37:15] Well, like I said earlier, it's because it's it's an opportunity for me to use a different palette to create a different set of people,
[00:37:23] a different set of motivations and a different way of writing.
[00:37:26] So the more as an artist, I can get into sort of different pressure cookers.
[00:37:30] That helps me, you know, to be able to chase that thing I'm looking for.
[00:37:35] Gotcha.
[00:37:36] You know, which I don't know what it is.
[00:37:37] Well, does that make sense?
[00:37:38] Yeah, it's definitely the music.
[00:37:40] Dead Will, the music itself is it caught me because that's it's almost like I was saying to Brent.
[00:37:46] Mm hmm.
[00:37:47] It has that melody to it.
[00:37:48] It has that kind of that hookiness, that kind of it's it has a heaviness to it, but it's still like, you know, it stays with you kind of.
[00:37:57] You get that really deep, really melodic kind of chorus part.
[00:38:00] Oh, good. OK.
[00:38:01] And it is the relatable kind of feeling right.
[00:38:03] It's almost like this nostalgic music where it's like next summer I'll hear that song will pop on and remind me of this summer.
[00:38:11] Oh, good. That's really cool.
[00:38:12] And I love that kind of music.
[00:38:13] Thanks, man.
[00:38:14] I have I have other bands like that that have that kind of really awesome kind of it has the power.
[00:38:19] It has the kind of punk rock kind of rock.
[00:38:21] I wouldn't coin you guys punk rock like punk rock.
[00:38:24] There is some punk rock stuff in there, but yeah, that's fair.
[00:38:26] Yeah, that's fair.
[00:38:27] I think Spotify call us emo, right?
[00:38:29] Yeah, apparently we're emo.
[00:38:31] I don't know what does Spotify know?
[00:38:34] We didn't know how to process that.
[00:38:37] Yeah.
[00:38:38] Well, we got sad.
[00:38:40] Well, yeah.
[00:38:42] But one bit, one of the bands that came up when I was talking about that before was like Nothington.
[00:38:47] I really like the band.
[00:38:48] Have you ever heard the band Cold Years?
[00:38:49] No.
[00:38:50] Yeah, they're super.
[00:38:51] That's like my snowboarding soundtrack.
[00:38:53] Sweet.
[00:38:54] Because they have that same kind of like groove and that melody and just it sounds like you should check them out.
[00:38:59] I think they're really good.
[00:39:00] Cold Years, Cold Years.
[00:39:01] Yeah.
[00:39:04] OK, that's awesome.
[00:39:05] And I guess I guess before you play shows and stuff, you should have a set, right?
[00:39:09] Like, yeah, a good way to get in there.
[00:39:12] We could pull it off if we got a show right now.
[00:39:14] We could pull it off.
[00:39:15] We come up with something.
[00:39:16] Yeah.
[00:39:17] Yeah.
[00:39:18] Play a face to face song or something.
[00:39:19] There you go.
[00:39:20] Yes.
[00:39:21] Yeah.
[00:39:22] No, it's coming soon.
[00:39:23] Yeah.
[00:39:24] It's we're not rushing anything.
[00:39:25] We're just a bunch of dudes having fun.
[00:39:26] We're all busy with our lives and we like this band.
[00:39:29] We all like each other and it's really working.
[00:39:31] And it's just slow and organic.
[00:39:33] And that's why I say slow.
[00:39:34] It's not really actually.
[00:39:35] It's pretty fast given the amount of work we put in.
[00:39:37] But it's just organic.
[00:39:38] It's authentic.
[00:39:39] And really, man, that's checking all the boxes for me.
[00:39:41] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:39:42] And that's awesome.
[00:39:43] And you find you find some guys that you enjoy playing with and you have a good time with.
[00:39:46] And you know, you write your own ticket.
[00:39:48] Totally.
[00:39:49] Set.
[00:39:50] You're set.
[00:39:51] OK.
[00:39:52] So that's it.
[00:39:53] I have a game.
[00:39:54] Oh, I guess before we play the game, is there any other things you guys want to talk about?
[00:39:59] Any shout outs, anything you wanted to say about the band?
[00:40:02] A whole lot.
[00:40:03] I mean, we're like little babies.
[00:40:06] Like we're still wearing band diapers here.
[00:40:08] Like we're not we don't have a whole lot of fresh.
[00:40:11] Yeah.
[00:40:12] I don't know.
[00:40:14] Mark's like, you guys want to do a podcast or like what are we going to talk about?
[00:40:20] We have five songs and we jam.
[00:40:22] They've all known each other for 10, 15 years.
[00:40:25] And I just met these guys already about five months ago.
[00:40:28] So so I'm still getting to know them.
[00:40:31] And I know Joe a little more, but it's yeah.
[00:40:34] Right on, man.
[00:40:35] Like Dan said, we're in diapers and we're slowly growing.
[00:40:39] Well, I'm super happy I got you this early in the band in the band world, because next year when you come back, we can listen.
[00:40:45] We can listen back to this and be like, remember when you guys came in?
[00:40:48] That's right.
[00:40:49] Yeah.
[00:40:50] Yeah.
[00:40:51] It's like, where's Mark?
[00:40:52] Oh, he realized we're all a bunch of dicks and he quit.
[00:40:54] Yeah.
[00:40:55] He was still feeling us out at that point.
[00:40:58] OK, I have a game it's called 13 Questions with the Band.
[00:41:03] Would you like to play?
[00:41:04] I need to ask consent.
[00:41:05] Absolutely.
[00:41:06] Yeah.
[00:41:07] Time for 13 questions with the band.
[00:41:10] Yes, this segment's back again.
[00:41:12] It's called 13 questions, but I only asked six, maybe five.
[00:41:16] So I'm going to break down the rules of 13 questions with the band.
[00:41:20] I have 13 questions.
[00:41:21] I don't actually ask you 13 questions.
[00:41:23] I pull from the 13 questions.
[00:41:25] Is everybody OK with these rules?
[00:41:27] It's cool.
[00:41:28] OK.
[00:41:29] And I can ask each of you.
[00:41:30] We'll try to go in like a rapid thing if someone has like a long winded story to tell off one of the questions.
[00:41:34] By all means, I'll just edit it out after.
[00:41:38] OK, 13 questions with Dead Will.
[00:41:40] My very first question is, let's see.
[00:41:44] What was the first CD tape or record you bought with your own money?
[00:41:50] The Beavis and Butthead Experience in 1993.
[00:41:56] Yeah, very nice.
[00:41:57] First CD I've ever owned.
[00:41:58] Yeah, I was 10 years old.
[00:41:59] That sounds good.
[00:42:00] And do you still have it?
[00:42:01] I do.
[00:42:02] Nice.
[00:42:03] I do.
[00:42:04] Yeah, it's broken, but yeah, it's still there.
[00:42:05] It's been through many a jewel case.
[00:42:07] Or is it a cassette?
[00:42:08] CD.
[00:42:09] CD.
[00:42:10] OK.
[00:42:11] Pretty sure mine was Bleach, Nirvana.
[00:42:12] Oh, classic.
[00:42:13] Mine was Evil Empire on cassette.
[00:42:16] The Rage Against the Machine.
[00:42:18] Rage.
[00:42:19] And I think I was Hum.
[00:42:20] You'd prefer an astronaut.
[00:42:22] Very nice.
[00:42:23] All right.
[00:42:24] Next question is Desert Island record.
[00:42:29] If you were stuck on a desert island tomorrow and you only had one record until they saved you, it could be 10 years.
[00:42:36] What would it be?
[00:42:37] What would you choose?
[00:42:38] Well, it's a lot of our genre.
[00:42:41] But it's a one hit wonder band.
[00:42:44] I absolutely love the CD.
[00:42:45] It's the refreshments, fizzy, fuzzy, big and buzzy.
[00:42:47] Oh yeah, that's awesome.
[00:42:48] It's absolutely amazing.
[00:42:49] Yeah.
[00:42:50] The only CD that I've played so much that I had to buy a second copy because I wore out.
[00:42:55] You wore out the CD.
[00:42:57] Yeah.
[00:42:58] I suck at this.
[00:42:59] I literally don't have an answer to this.
[00:43:01] My wife always gets at me because I never listen to the same thing twice in a row.
[00:43:06] Like I bounce around so much.
[00:43:08] I don't know if I could do this.
[00:43:10] This is a lot of pressure.
[00:43:11] We have a there's a 13 there's a 13 questions with the band back door.
[00:43:17] You just go same.
[00:43:20] Well, you know what?
[00:43:21] It is a good one because when he said it, I was nodding.
[00:43:23] Yeah, that's a solid choice.
[00:43:25] Let's go around.
[00:43:26] I'm going to think on this.
[00:43:27] I may pass, but let the other lads answer here.
[00:43:30] There's no passes.
[00:43:31] There's just savings.
[00:43:34] You can choose who you want to say.
[00:43:36] That's OK.
[00:43:37] Anyway, for me, it'd be a Macedon record for sure.
[00:43:39] Either either mission or Leviathan.
[00:43:42] I'll go Leviathan, I guess.
[00:43:45] That's very good.
[00:43:47] And I will go with Propagandi Victory Lap.
[00:43:50] You totally saw I was going Propagandi as well, but I was saying no, not that album.
[00:43:57] No, probably one of the earlier ones.
[00:44:03] Yeah, speaking of daddy.
[00:44:05] Go ahead.
[00:44:06] I was going to say speaking of dad rockers who got better with age propaganda, man.
[00:44:10] Yeah, no solid for sure.
[00:44:14] Same.
[00:44:17] Beautiful.
[00:44:18] Well done.
[00:44:19] OK, if you had a time machine and you could go to any moment in music history, where and what would it be?
[00:44:27] Oh, music history.
[00:44:30] OK, I would like to go to like a traditional Irish pub in the 1600s and just hear some actual trad Irish folk music the way it was back then.
[00:44:42] Have a nice warm pint.
[00:44:43] Oh, man.
[00:44:44] Yeah.
[00:44:45] Like I play in an Irish traditional Irish band and like we're really busy over St.
[00:44:48] Paddy's and stuff so I can play all those songs but they're all modernized.
[00:44:51] Yeah.
[00:44:52] I really, really get into like trad Irish stuff.
[00:44:54] So that's where I'd go.
[00:44:55] Very good.
[00:44:56] I'd say in early 90s, Lollapalooza.
[00:44:58] That's that's my era and that's that's my jam.
[00:45:02] I am.
[00:45:03] Yeah.
[00:45:04] Yeah, man.
[00:45:05] Minneapolis.
[00:45:06] I was in I saw Lollapalooza in 94.
[00:45:09] I believe it was Henry Rollins band.
[00:45:13] Cool.
[00:45:14] Jane's Addiction.
[00:45:15] Oh, man.
[00:45:16] It was crazy.
[00:45:17] Like I was young and it was like a festival.
[00:45:19] Anyway, sorry.
[00:45:21] I agree with you.
[00:45:22] That's where we go.
[00:45:23] Nineties were the best.
[00:45:24] Do you remember it?
[00:45:26] Remember, I know I was there.
[00:45:29] I have I have actual photographs of myself.
[00:45:32] Yeah.
[00:45:33] Yeah.
[00:45:34] I'm going to go with Queen Live Aid.
[00:45:37] Oh, yeah.
[00:45:38] Yeah.
[00:45:39] But only they're set and leave for.
[00:45:42] What about Phil Collins?
[00:45:43] No, he didn't like Phil Collins.
[00:45:46] You don't want to do sing along with Axl Rose.
[00:45:48] Yeah.
[00:45:50] I'm going to say with Mark 90s, the like like that era, 94 to 96,
[00:45:56] like just the records and the bands that were coming out then.
[00:45:59] I feel like it's cliche to say that, like, you know, everybody in there,
[00:46:02] they're growing up things that that was the best music.
[00:46:05] But like but you're right.
[00:46:06] But I'm right about the 90s.
[00:46:09] Yeah, it was crazy.
[00:46:11] We will be at band practice trying to practice our songs and get better.
[00:46:15] And Mark and Cody will start playing Silver Chair together.
[00:46:18] Yeah, it's if Mark's not here next time we come, that's the reason.
[00:46:21] Yeah.
[00:46:22] I hear the riff and I can't stop playing Silver Chair.
[00:46:26] Yeah.
[00:46:28] Silver Chair, the kids remember they're just kids.
[00:46:30] That was a big deal.
[00:46:31] These guys are how old?
[00:46:33] Yeah, they were like 14 or something when Frogstomp came out.
[00:46:36] It's crazy.
[00:46:38] The 90s, I always say I was saying that I never I haven't found
[00:46:42] music the same way I did in the 90s ever since.
[00:46:44] I still find music and I still listen to music, but it doesn't just doesn't.
[00:46:47] It's not the same.
[00:46:50] Anyway, what was the first live concert you ever attended?
[00:47:00] Who wants this one first?
[00:47:02] I'm pretty sure it was Bare Naked Ladies when they were like touring Gordon
[00:47:06] and I lived in Newmarket at the time.
[00:47:08] I think they were from around there.
[00:47:09] Like it was like it was like at the Newmarket Rec Center.
[00:47:12] It was like a smallish kind of thing.
[00:47:13] It's a good Canadian, Canadian outfit.
[00:47:19] Mine was my dad took me to see the Beach Boys in 1989 when they came to the Civic Center.
[00:47:24] Fucking cool, man.
[00:47:25] Kokomo.
[00:47:26] That's awesome.
[00:47:27] Right? The Kokomo Tour.
[00:47:28] That's it.
[00:47:29] I do remember that.
[00:47:30] I think I was six or something, but I do have a big memory, big recollection of it.
[00:47:35] In May there's a on Disney Plus, there's a Beach Boys movie coming out.
[00:47:39] There's a trailer.
[00:47:40] It looks fucking really good.
[00:47:41] I don't know if you guys with the riptides and stuff, Beach Boys, Ramones, that kind
[00:47:45] of stuff is very, very influential to the pop punk of what we do there.
[00:47:49] So Beach Boys is a big one.
[00:47:50] The movie looks good.
[00:47:52] Looks really good if you're into that kind of thing.
[00:47:54] A lot of history there.
[00:47:55] Yeah, yeah, totally.
[00:47:56] Totally Brian Wilson's wicked.
[00:47:58] Yeah.
[00:48:00] Dan's up.
[00:48:01] Yeah, I do remember now it was my parents.
[00:48:04] My parents play in a band and that was the first show that I ever saw.
[00:48:08] Do you know what the band was called?
[00:48:10] Red Tape.
[00:48:11] Red Tape.
[00:48:12] They still play and they've been together longer than I've been alive, so 45, 50
[00:48:17] years as they've been around.
[00:48:19] They started out as like 60s rock covers and they played all the school dances
[00:48:24] and everything and all that.
[00:48:26] And they're still playing today.
[00:48:28] Nice.
[00:48:29] That's awesome.
[00:48:30] And mine was Aerosmith or Collective Soul Open for them at Lansdowne Park.
[00:48:35] Cool.
[00:48:36] And yeah, it was like when Aerosmith had their big comeback in the 90s there, you
[00:48:39] know, get a grip, right?
[00:48:41] They were friggin' awesome.
[00:48:43] The show they put on, oh my God, man.
[00:48:45] Yeah, no doubt.
[00:48:46] So I was just a little kid, right?
[00:48:47] I remember that.
[00:48:48] Yeah, yeah.
[00:48:49] I just saw a thing on the internet where they're doing their final tour.
[00:48:53] Are they?
[00:48:54] Steve Tyler's like on top of a piano.
[00:48:56] He's like mid 70s, right?
[00:48:58] Yeah.
[00:48:59] Still got the scarves and the hair.
[00:49:00] Yeah.
[00:49:01] Wow!
[00:49:02] Man, don't you think that's a good thing?
[00:49:05] Man, those guys, for the shit they did to themselves.
[00:49:09] Joe Perry, Joe Perry, right?
[00:49:11] Yeah, the toxic twins.
[00:49:12] Yeah, Steve Tyler, it's amazing that anyone would have said Aerosmith will be in their
[00:49:17] 70s touring.
[00:49:18] Yeah.
[00:49:19] Steve Tyler will be on top of a piano.
[00:49:21] Right?
[00:49:22] Who's the girl that, the same girl that was always in all her videos, Alicia?
[00:49:26] Silverstone, yeah.
[00:49:27] Yeah, back in the 90s, man.
[00:49:29] Yeah.
[00:49:30] Where are they now?
[00:49:32] She peaked with Batgirl.
[00:49:33] Yeah, yeah.
[00:49:34] Where is she now?
[00:49:35] Yeah, good question.
[00:49:36] Okay, a couple more.
[00:49:39] If you could, oh wait, if Dead Well could open for any band.
[00:49:46] Who would it be?
[00:49:49] Dan's got one.
[00:49:50] Dan wants the mic.
[00:49:51] Dan's reaching for the mic.
[00:49:52] Prop candy would be my pick, for sure.
[00:49:53] You want to open for Prop?
[00:49:54] Yeah.
[00:49:55] I don't know.
[00:49:56] I just like those guys.
[00:49:57] Like that's probably the man I've seen the most of all bands, period.
[00:50:00] They're so good.
[00:50:01] They're just always fun, fun shows.
[00:50:03] Yeah.
[00:50:04] Yeah.
[00:50:05] Cool.
[00:50:06] Everyone agree with that?
[00:50:08] Yeah, I'm gonna say him.
[00:50:09] Same.
[00:50:10] I'm gonna say, so I look at Dead Well as a rock band, right?
[00:50:15] So I like, you know, I play in punk bands too, right?
[00:50:17] But I like what we're doing, but it's a little bit more, let's maybe commercialize the word a little bit.
[00:50:22] I think that if, like, if we open for Billy Talent, that would be amazing.
[00:50:26] Because I do really like Billy Talent.
[00:50:28] I think they got a lot of punk rock roots, but they are sort of a rock band, right?
[00:50:31] And I think that we fit in that kind of vein.
[00:50:33] You know what?
[00:50:34] I don't think there's anything wrong with being a rock band.
[00:50:37] You know what I mean?
[00:50:38] Everyone wants to be like, I'm pop, punk, emo, noise.
[00:50:42] It's just like, I'm a rock band.
[00:50:44] Yeah.
[00:50:45] I play rock and roll.
[00:50:46] We definitely have punk influences.
[00:50:47] I also wasn't implying that we would be a good fit to open for Prop.
[00:50:50] Yeah, I think Propagetti would yell at us.
[00:50:52] Like, get off the stage.
[00:50:54] What are you guys talking about?
[00:50:55] Right.
[00:50:57] Okay.
[00:50:59] Next question, two more questions.
[00:51:01] If each of you, this is for each of you, could have a drink or a meal or something with any musician, live or dead, who would it be?
[00:51:14] For me it would be David Gilmore, Pink Floyd.
[00:51:16] Huge influence on me.
[00:51:18] Who?
[00:51:19] Playing, everything.
[00:51:20] I love his stuff.
[00:51:21] Hands down.
[00:51:24] Yeah, I'm going to go off of the board on this one.
[00:51:26] I'm going to say Bach, assuming he had a translator.
[00:51:30] Because I don't speak German.
[00:51:31] Sebastian Bach?
[00:51:32] Yeah.
[00:51:33] Yeah, no, because so I'm a bit of a nerd and he combined math and music kind of in a way that hasn't really been done to that extent before.
[00:51:50] I suspect he's probably kind of on the spectrum if you actually talk to him, but I think he'd be fascinating to talk to you.
[00:51:58] Because he pioneered an entire genre and the way he approached counterpoint and melody was very methodical.
[00:52:08] And I'm very much like that, like I kind of gravitate towards order.
[00:52:12] So yeah, I think I'd get a lot out of that conversation.
[00:52:15] Cool man.
[00:52:16] Digging deep into the deep cuts.
[00:52:19] Cody?
[00:52:20] This is a tough question.
[00:52:24] I don't know.
[00:52:25] I mean, who would be cool?
[00:52:27] I mean, somebody like maybe like Maynard James Keenan or something like that would be cool to have a beer with.
[00:52:34] Or he'd be a complete dick.
[00:52:36] Yeah, you never know what he's like.
[00:52:39] Jiu-jitsu on you.
[00:52:40] Yeah, that's it.
[00:52:41] Well, we'd have some stuff to talk about.
[00:52:43] He just got his black belt apparently.
[00:52:45] He's legit, but I think that would be mine.
[00:52:47] Cool.
[00:52:48] I would be Bruce Springsteen.
[00:52:50] Oh, the boss, man.
[00:52:51] The boss, yeah.
[00:52:52] I don't have many records, but half of them are Bruce Springsteen.
[00:52:55] The best.
[00:52:56] The best, right?
[00:52:57] The best.
[00:52:58] I appreciate that.
[00:53:00] I appreciate that.
[00:53:01] Okay, the last question of 13 questions with the band with Deadwell.
[00:53:06] Who is Deadwell?
[00:53:07] Like how do we come up with a name?
[00:53:14] I think it's an open-ended whatever you want type question.
[00:53:17] Yeah, you can answer it any way you want.
[00:53:21] It's just something to do.
[00:53:22] It's fun.
[00:53:23] I don't know if there's a whole lot of weight behind it.
[00:53:26] The origin story of the name is interesting.
[00:53:29] It's worth telling probably.
[00:53:31] Yeah, yeah, there you go.
[00:53:32] Yeah, it's nothing amazing or anything, but it's because I fish with my friends and up to the cottage one day we do a weekend every year.
[00:53:42] And we're terrible fishermen.
[00:53:43] We just end up drinking more.
[00:53:45] And there's a live well on my boat and we don't always fill it up.
[00:53:51] And then we drink at night and we laugh about how little fish we catch.
[00:53:55] And then we call it a Deadwell.
[00:53:57] And we just kind of ran with that joke.
[00:53:59] And then now we created a logo.
[00:54:01] My friends are like, well, you should call your band that.
[00:54:03] And I kind of floated the idea with these guys and they're like, yeah, let's do it.
[00:54:06] So as soon as he says, do you want to call the band Deadwell?
[00:54:09] I'm like, that's amazing because to me in my life, music has been a dead well.
[00:54:13] So I'm like, yep, exactly.
[00:54:17] I'm like, I will never stop fishing.
[00:54:19] I love it so much.
[00:54:20] I love just being an artist and being creative.
[00:54:22] But if I'm looking at anything, making any money or anything out of this man, I'm playing the wrong game.
[00:54:28] Right. So yeah.
[00:54:29] So as soon as he said, I was like, yeah, that's the name.
[00:54:31] That's the band name.
[00:54:32] Love origin stories.
[00:54:35] It's always great to meet guys that I have a lot in common with, not just music, just kind of stages of life.
[00:54:43] And love the dead well story.
[00:54:46] That's cool.
[00:54:47] I love the fish and that's rock and roll rock and roll.
[00:54:50] Thank you so much for being on the show.
[00:54:52] And I wish you nothing but success and good luck writing the record, I guess.
[00:54:57] Thanks, buddy. Maybe we'll see on stage sometime.
[00:54:59] Yeah. Yeah.
[00:55:00] What tour is that? Yeah.
[00:55:01] And hopefully we'll see all four year next year.
[00:55:03] Even more. That's right.
[00:55:06] All right. Thanks a lot.
[00:55:07] Yeah. Cheers.
[00:55:33] I'm going to do.
[00:55:37] The days gone by when everybody knew the easy way was a lie and life was without comfort.
[00:55:49] It's just the way it was.
[00:55:52] Principles in the forefront.
[00:55:55] Living for a cause.
[00:56:01] Can't we all see.
[00:56:04] Some of parts and the ways and means to break the cycles and principles embedded in our hearts.
[00:56:16] It takes a spark and a fire to instigate emotion.
[00:56:22] Freedom from oppression.
[00:56:24] Not our lives.
[00:56:26] All the humans.
[00:56:58] Fight.
[00:57:00] Fight hard.
[00:57:02] For the oppressed.
[00:57:04] Right.
[00:57:06] People.
[00:57:08] People.
[00:57:13] Let me elaborate.
[00:57:15] It's.
[00:57:19] It's.
[00:57:23] Just don't care anymore.
[00:57:25] Until it directly impacts.
[00:57:29] The quality of life.
[00:57:31] Come to expect.
[00:57:35] Empathic heart.
[00:57:37] Means weakness.
[00:57:39] Compromise our virtues.
[00:57:41] Stirring out our bones.
[00:57:43] Look inside our heads.
[00:57:45] All in burning beds.
[00:57:51] Remember that old song.
[00:58:13] Remember that old song.
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[00:59:37] I'm a man.
[00:59:41] Spend my nights drinking with my mates.
[00:59:45] Just a short bus ride up to P.A.
[00:59:49] Red River, red.
[00:59:53] Then I hit the wall and I knew I had to bounce.
[00:59:57] They still say that?
[00:59:59] Nineteen years ago,
[01:00:01] I felt like I'd got the hill out.
[01:00:03] From time to time, you may see me hanging around them.
[01:00:09] Now I feel like a stranger in this town.
[01:00:17] Cracks and rolls is where I learn to play.
[01:00:19] Westwood Tavern is where I learn to walk away.
[01:00:33] I'm a man.
[01:00:35] Spend my nights drinking with my mates.
[01:00:37] It's all good.
[01:00:39] Anyway, we'll see you next week.
[01:00:41] Bye.